Thousands of pages of Congressional testimony shed light on 2016 Trump Tower meeting
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TopHatSasquatch
3016
6 days ago

From the AP:

Donald Trump Jr. told a Senate panel that he didn't think there was anything wrong with meeting a Russian lawyer who promised dirt on Hillary Clinton ahead of the 2016 election, and that he can't recall whether he discussed the probe with his father.

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/996739166376546304

[deleted]
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6 days ago

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smurphy1
573
6 days ago

Either there were so many of these types of things that he actually doesn't remember if he talked about this particular one with his father or he did discuss it and is trying to hide it.

FrigOffCyrus
398
6 days ago

It's gonna come down to Hope Hicks. How Hicks' testimony to Mueller went and whether or not it's consistent with other witnesses will likely determine if DJ is lying to the feds/senate.

There was like 5 people in the room during that discussion about DJ's statement? POTUS, Hicks, lawyer that quit, DJ, and one other maybe, such as Don McGahn or someone.

I still think Hicks will end up coming back as a major figure in this. Potentially a star witness in an impeachment or later criminal trial. She was the gatekeeper.

smurphy1
213
6 days ago

That's a different meeting. That's the meeting about crafting the lie to tell about what happened in the meeting I was referring to.

FrigOffCyrus
83
6 days ago

Got it, and I still stand by my statement. Trump always has that one confidante, and my belief is that Hicks served as such in her capacity as whatever she was before the election. She knows about as many skeletons in Trump's closet as Michael Cohen does. She definitely was interviewed about the meeting you're mentioning.

smurphy1
56
6 days ago

Yeah her testimony could be important if she cooperates I'm just trying to make sure people responding/reading these comments are on the same page about which of the numerous shady meetings is being talked about.

ButterflyAttack
28
6 days ago

Nobody knew treason could be so complicated. . .

smurphy1
5
6 days ago

Probably but we have to keep an open mind and attack our own conclusions with other possibilities let we become like the pizza gate people.

BelgianMcWaffles
3
6 days ago

Let's ask Donnie Jr if he discussed with his father the scene from Bambi where Owl explains to Bambi, Thumper, and Flower what the word "Twitterpated" means.

Do you think he will say that he doesn't remember? Or do you think he will say no?

ButterflyAttack
7
6 days ago

"I do not recall". Classic line for every political liar under the sun.

HerrMancini
6
6 days ago

He absolutely discussed it and is trying to avoid perjury charges in case they have phone or email records.

crispyanal
3
6 days ago

When I was a teenager I was constantly breaking the law. It got to the point i forgot some of the illegal stuff i did and sometimes when the police questioned me i couldn't even remember if what they were saying to me was something i did or not.

bishpa
115
6 days ago

fibbed

You are too generous.

wrecktvf
96
6 days ago

10 years for fibbing under oath

zenchowdah
153
6 days ago

Should be 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 years for Fibonacci under oath

Edit: should have said FibbingNazi under oath. Really blew this one.

francis2559
7
6 days ago

Fibonacci

This has nothing to do with politics, but I loved that sequence as a kid and it's just so damn cool to see it on reddit or even in the wild.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5985588/15-uncanny-examples-of-the-golden-ratio-in-nature

CobaltRose800
3
6 days ago

idk you could pun 'Fibonacci' for 'fibbing Nazi'.

wildistherewind
6
6 days ago

It's just a fib, bro!

SuicideBonger
4
6 days ago

It's for treason honey, NEXT!!1!11!!

rich115
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6 days ago

Remember the time in the run up to the elections Trump said he had a big announcement, and never delivered.

Donald Trump held press conference promising more dirt on Clinton hours after Donald Trump Jr’s Russia emails

2243217910346
166
6 days ago

To me, this is proof of collusion/coordination right there. They knew what they wanted, and where it was coming from. And didn't care, in fact were gleeful about it. Junior even talks about timing, in the email, 'later in the summer'.

It also make the notion that Big Donnie wasn't in the loop preposterous.

archeopteryx
4
6 days ago

To me, this is proof of collusion/coordination right there.

It's still circumstantial evidence, though. If we're talking about indicting the son of the President, there's got to be something more direct. Hence, IMO, Mueller's interviews with anyone and everyone present, looking for discrepancies between stories, and establishing a solid theory of the event.

Filbert_Turtle
14
6 days ago

It's still circumstantial evidence, though.

I feel like the belief that circumstantial evidence is somehow invalid or not good enough to convict comes from too much poorly written television shows.

Circumstantial evidence is absolutely valid and is still evidence. The truth is the majority of cases that go to trial and get a conviction, do so on cicumstantial evidence. It is very rare to have a smoking gun.

Edit - spelling.

row_guy
6
6 days ago

Oh you mean the defense lawyer wont stand up, hammer the table with his fist and say: "Objection! Circumstantial your honor!" With a bemused look on his face?

drunkenviking
3
6 days ago

That is exactly what I picture Michael Cohen doing

No_Pepper
377
6 days ago

Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first got those emails that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked on a lot of campaigns and I tell you people do that all the time.

snakelemma
143
6 days ago

I for see more Costanza defenses. "It's not lying if you think you're telling the truth."

ramonycajones
122
6 days ago

It's not a lie if you believe it*.

FuffyKitty
5
6 days ago

Good thing a grand jury is not a lie detector machine

ITS_A_GUNDAAAM
6
6 days ago

Also see the Costanza Gambit: doing the opposite of your gut instinct to lie, coming totally clean about every last infraction in your life, and getting a not guilty verdict and a job with the Yankees.

RonaldoNazario
84
6 days ago

Trying the “chip” defense - I... didn’t know I couldn’t do that officer.

eking85
26
6 days ago

You see Dave I did know I couldn't do that.

Bubbagump210
8
6 days ago

But I totally DID know I couldn't do that! Bwah hahaha!

TrumpinWerdz
7
6 days ago

I'm gonna ask him for directions

plaizure
6
6 days ago

“Officer, officer...could you tell me how to get to 3rd street?” “Sir..! You’re on 3rd street.”

wildistherewind
5
6 days ago

It's funny until you realize that, like Constanza, Trump (Sr.) also had an affair with a maid.

Hindsight_DJ
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6 days ago

Good thing intentional memory problems are still able to be prosecuted.

See In re Weiss, 703 F.2d 653, 662 (2d Cir. 1983) (finding that “testimonial obduracy” may come in several forms, including “respond[ing] in a way that avoids providing information, as, for example, by denying memory of the events under inquiry, denying acquaintance with targets of the inquiry, or denying knowledge of facts sought to be elicited” or “purport[ing] to state informative facts in response to the questions while in fact testifying falsely)

(collecting cases); JFB Hart Coatings, Inc. v. AM Gen. LLC, 764 F. Supp. 2d 974, 988 (N.D. Ill. 2011) (stating “It is insulting to the Court to claim that Beedie could not remember any of the alterations he made to nearly 122 documents, except for possibly removing some price information, because nearly seven months had passed between the time he created Exhibit A and his deposition and he did not have the specific documents in front of him,” and ordering an evidentiary hearing on a motion for default);

Gibbs v. Union Pac. R. Co., No. 08-CV-00355JPG, 2009 WL 2143772, at *6 (S.D. Ill. July 15, 2009) (ordering sanctions where deponent had, among other conduct, repeatedly said he had no recollection of events surrounding his complaint); Andrews v. Holloway, 256 F.R.D. 136, 141-45 (D.N.J. 2009) (finding deponent in contempt where he gave false and evasive answers).

Andrroid
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6 days ago

"I do not recall"

-Keebler

MisterMasterCylinder
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6 days ago

"I do not refuse to recall"

-Keebler

FTFY

NotagoK
4
6 days ago

"Ahhuuhhh...Ah don't ruh-kawl"

cyanydeez
10
6 days ago

Unfortunately, this is all null and void in

Republicans v "Rules, laws and Regulations we choose not to enforce because we're in Power, nanananananan"

woodukindly_bruh
77
6 days ago

Yeah I was gonna say, just because you didn't think there was anything wrong with what you were doing...doesn't mean you weren't doing shit that was wrong. Ffs these people are dumb as rocks.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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6 days ago

Sir, to be fair.... I had no idea I wasn't supposed to just take everything I wanted from anyone I wanted at any cost... I plead affluence.

kbotc
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6 days ago

The judge's reasoning in the affluenza case was actually genius: He wasn't being tried as an adult, so he was going to get a comparatively light sentence and the charge would be sealed once he turned 18. She bet that he was going to fuck up again bad, so she sentenced him to probation expecting that he'd turn 18, fuck up bad, and then all of those charges would show up while he was getting tried as an adult: The gambit worked. He's currently in prison and is now a registered felon for his parole violation.

Hrekires
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6 days ago

4:04 PM: Emin Agalarov calls Don Jr. to discuss Veselnitskaya meeting

4:27: Don. Jr has a four minute call with someone at a blocked number

4:31: Don Jr. calls back Agalarov

He told Senate investigators he didn't remember who was on that second call

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/996744158458105856

weird selective memory gap.

PM_ME_USERNAME_MEMES
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6 days ago

Here’s the relevant testimony (emphasis mine):

“Q. Exhibit 2 is an [redacted] record for your iPhone with the Trump Organization; is that correct?

A. I believe it is, yes.

Q. So in Exhibit 1 Mr. Goldstone's e-mail at 3:43 p.m. on June 6 said that Emin would call you within about 20 minutes, and this [redacted] record, which is heavily redacted, shows an incoming call 21 minutes later at 4:04 p.m. on that day from the number [redacted]. Was that a call from Emin?

A. I believe it to be.

Q. According to the document, the call lasted two minutes . Do you have any memory of the content of that call?

A. I don't. And in researching this we went to check with the phone company. Two minutes is anything over 60 seconds. So it’s between 60 seconds and two minutes, which is why I wasn't sure if it was a call or just a voicemail and a missed call playing phone tag.

Q. According to the document, 25 minutes after the first call ended you made an outgoing call to that same number, but in between the two calls there's another entry, a call at 4:27 that lasted four minutes from a blocked number. Between Emin's call to you at 4:04 and your return call to him at 4:31, with whom did you have a call?

A. I have no idea.

Q. Other than that call, do you recall what you did during the 25 minutes between those calls?

A. I don't.

Q. It appears from this record that after your call with the blocked number ended you called Emin back. That call to Emin at 4:31 p.m. lasted three minutes according to the document. Do you recall that call at all?

A. I do not.

Q.And, again, according to this exhibit on the next day, June 7, 2016, you received an incoming call from that same number at 12:44 p.m. which lasted two minutes. Do you recall the contents of that call?

A. I do not.

Q. The document also shows that at 4:07 p .m. on June 7, 2016 you placed a call to 703-- [redacted]. Who was that call to?

A. I don't know.

Q. Do you recall the contents of it, then?

A. No, I don't. “

All stuff that normal innocent people say.

Railboy
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6 days ago

A. I don't.

A. I do not.

A. I do not.

You ever hear that pop psychology bullshit about using fewer contractions when you're lying?

I buy not remembering what else he was doing between those calls, but I don't buy not remembering what he talked about, lol.

Darth_Innovader
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6 days ago

I don’t. I do not. I do not. Oh hai mueller.

Erch
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6 days ago

I found this comment far more funny than it has any right to be.

JankHippie
8
6 days ago

You're tearing me apart, Mueller!

squidz0rz
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6 days ago

I did not have sexual relations with that woman

disgustingdifficulty
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6 days ago

yesn't I don't

FujitsuPolycom
5
6 days ago

Was the second call (with the blocked number) outgoing from Jr or incoming?

PM_ME_USERNAME_MEMES
9
6 days ago

Just like Junior, I have no idea, unfortunately. Here’s the version of the call log that was released to the public.

Yes, that’s actually it. I wish I could say I was joking.

Soundslikedumbfun
6
6 days ago

I'd bet my life Junior's phone was tapped. It would have been gross negligence by those entrusted to keep us safe not to. EDIT: spelling

brash
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6 days ago

Q. The document also shows that at 4:07 p .m. on June 7, 2016 you placed a call to 703-- [redacted]. Who was that call to?

A. I don't know.

I was pressing numbers at random, your Honor! I had no idea someone would actually pick up!

Ya_No
305
6 days ago

Corey Lewandowski testified that Trumps primary residence during the campaign had a blocked number

theshinepolicy
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6 days ago

Stormy Daniels said that he always called from a blocked number

_unforgiven_
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6 days ago

Jesus, this guy is impulsive!

Free_rePHIL
22
6 days ago

and in control of our nuclear arsenal...

what could go wrong?

djn24
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6 days ago

Identifying who was on the other end of that phone call could be really damning.

We all know it was daddy, but proving it could be the turning point in political support.

PutinPaysTrump
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6 days ago

We all know it was daddy, but proving it could be the turning point in political support.

With who?

justheretolurk123456
48
6 days ago

The second-dumbest person named Donald Trump (aka Sr.)

kegman83
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6 days ago

It was most likely to one of Cohen's burner phones who was conveniently within arms distance of Trump.

originalityescapesme
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6 days ago

The other numbers that have ever gone in or out of those burners is going to be the key piece here. Donald is super cheap, so it's possible that he made some longer calls using those burners to avoid paying for them just as a personality quirk - calls he had no reason not to use his own stuff for and really should have.

Or, perhaps more realistically, used it to call women he was trying to hide. It would make perfect sense to just use one of Cohen's burners and not pay much attention to which. They would be up on that like white on rice.

Cincinnaudi
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6 days ago
JohnGillnitz
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6 days ago

It's funny how some people think deleting email, that isn't subject to any formal retention schedule, is in any way suspicious. It is exactly what any IT person would do with a mail server that is being decommissioned. We don't even bother wiping them. We take them to a company that puts them in a big shredder. Fun to watch.

LadyMichelle00
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6 days ago

Can’t Mueller just *67 them?

wildistherewind
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6 days ago

This is dumb as fuck, Junior. At least make up something. Saying you don't know who you called with a blocked number is literally the worst excuse. Say you were buying weed, anything, not "I don't recall".

Eldias
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6 days ago

No, dude, making something up is the worst thing he could do. They already know the answers, they just want to catch purposeful lying.

PM_ME_LEGAL_FILES
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6 days ago

That can be refuted though, e.g if they get call records from his dealer

phroug2
8
6 days ago

DO NOT DO THIS FOLKS.

Directly lying in sworn testimony tends to have consequences.

REPEAT: DO NOT MAKE THINGS UP WHEN TESTIFYING UNDER OATH BEFORE CONGRESS. BAD IDEA ABORT ABORT

Yes, what Jr. did looks really bad. The problem is, it's probably legally his best option: plausible deniability.

albatross-salesgirl
22
6 days ago

I also talk to people with blocked numbers for a minimum of four minutes, that way I can tell if they're trying to crime stuff. And if they are, I hang up and tell them "Good day!" afterwards.

gezelligs
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6 days ago

Didn’t Lewandowski testify that Trump, himself, has a blocked number he uses?

cjones528
5
6 days ago

I guess he didn’t inherit his father’s great memory.

wolfystache
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6 days ago

It's basically the Neisha call from Serial.

captainsolo77
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6 days ago

Can investigators determine who the blocked number was without witness information?

ninelives1
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6 days ago

So this confirms that they were seeking intelligence on Clinton and not discussing "adoptions." Amazing how conveniently their stories changed.

Can someone with more knowledge of the implications of this enlighten us?

Joshd30
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6 days ago

It will take at least a day to sift through it all. I know it will completely dominate the news cycle for at least a week. And really it all seems to be mostly confirmation of things we already suspected to be true.

While some of this stuff is a huge deal, this steals the spotlight from the pay to play stories. Makes me wonder why Grassley decided to release these transcripts now?

MisterGojira
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6 days ago

Friday is the anniversary of mueller’s appointment. And Trump will be bitching about it

Tomorrow is the deadline to decide on the interview for trump. And Trump could fire Mueller and Rosenstein tomorrow

sje46
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6 days ago

Why is tomorrow the deadline? Can you expand on this?

ma582
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6 days ago

The administration set it as a self-imposed deadline to decide whether to do the interview: https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-lawyers-aim-to-decide-by-may-17-whether-president-testifies-in-mueller-probe-1525727774

abraburger
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6 days ago

They never meet heir own deadlines. It’s all a “tune in next week” ruse.

hescrepuscular
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6 days ago

"Stay tuned." "We'll see."

Joanie_of_Arc
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6 days ago

"...but who knows."

eaunoway
7
6 days ago

Well, it beats "Enjoy the show"

dubadub
5
6 days ago

C'mon now. "Be Cool."

raymond8505
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6 days ago

"I cant be interviewed while I'm being audited by the IRS"

Just_A_Sports_Guru
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6 days ago

The administration set it as a self-imposed deadline

That means literally nothing though. Not with this administration.

RyVsWorld
5
6 days ago

The deadline literally means nothing. They lie.

Seriously don’t get why people believe the horse shit coming out of Rudy’s mouth

quoth_tthe_raven
5
6 days ago

If he fires them he is more stupid than we thought.

It would have looked bad anyways but, with the release of these transcripts, he will be one of the dirtiest presidents to take office.

How is this administration still a thing?

The_Original_Gronkie
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6 days ago

The Clinton Special Investigation ran from January 1994 to January 1999, and evolved from investigating Whitewater, to Travelgate, to Vince Foster, to Paula Jones, to Monica Lewinsky, and a bunch of other stuff in between. And not a single person was found guilty of anything, and nobody went to jail.

The Trump Special Investigation has gone on for a year, yielded numerous indictments, a few guilty pleas, and at least one jail sentence, SO FAR. Clearly there is more ground to cover.

The Republicans set the standard and precedence for special investigations, and the Trump investigation is being run by a neutral prosecutor (as opposed to the Clinton investigation, which was run by an openly highly right wing partisan). They are going to have to just sit back and wait like the rest of us.

CockSniffles
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6 days ago

To add to this echo chamber,

I was skeptical about Russia Gate until they claimed that the tower meeting was about "adoptions". I know what the fucking magnitsky is, one kf Russia's responses was to halt adoption of Russian kids. This showed me that they knew they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar and that they definitely talked about sanctions and frozen assets under the guise of "adoption". Something fucky was going on there and they didn't want to get caught in a lie, so they told a half truth to cover.

linedout
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6 days ago

The point is Russia is asking for the Maginsky act to be dropped, what did they offer in return? Considering the meeting was set up to give dirt on Hillary it seems pretty obvious.

albatross-salesgirl
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6 days ago

"Hey, what do we say if somebody finds out we're having this meeting about you guys taking Hillary down at the end of summer in exchange for us ditching the Monkeyski whatevers?"

"Tell them is about 'adoptions,' they will believe you completely and ask no questions!" *snickers into sleeve*

cantadmittoposting
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6 days ago

Yeah, they were just too dumb to know that

It's unfortunately plausible that they were too dumb to know that there was an attached quid pro quo which is why they seemed so indignant about the discussion of Magnitsky in the first place. Their defense ultimately amounted to "we showed up to get dirt and they just wouldn't stop talking about this stupid other stuff."

gdshaffe
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6 days ago

They never expected to win. That's the key detail. They never expected to be in a position to be able to deliver on the quid pro quo that they promised, so they were willing to promise anything.

CranberrySchnapps
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6 days ago

We really should just start using conspiracy/conspiring to really drive the point home to them.

nexisfan
6
6 days ago

All mobsters understand the term conspiracy, and that’s literally what this is. The white-washing by using “collusion” is annoying as fuck to me. It is a crime. A crime against the United States, for fuck’s sake.

linedout
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6 days ago

Technically its conspiracy to defraud the United States.

TrumpFamilySyndicate
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6 days ago
spolio
4
6 days ago

Going to rob a bank if you cant bypass the safe and get the money you did nothing wrong right, asking for a friend.

Luvitall1
17
6 days ago

They in big trouble, dawg. Real big trouble.

Ihate25gaugeNeedles
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6 days ago

Are they? They've lied lied lied through their teeth this entire way and not a peep from vast majority of Republicans. They don't care as long as the congressmen's donors are getting what they want and the constituents team is 'winning'. So much winning, this wholesale destruction of America.

MelaniasHand
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6 days ago

That was always a stupid attempt at an excuse, because adoptions means the response to the Magnitsky act, which is sanctions.

It was always and obviously about sanctions. Saying it was about adoptions just supported that, but Trump Jr. was too stupid to realize that.

taotechill
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6 days ago
smartwn
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6 days ago
  • Donald Trump Jr. told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he couldn't remember whether he had discussed the Russia investigation with his father.

  • Q to DT Jr. - "Were you aware of any communication between anyone on the Trump Campaign and Wikileaks?" A. - I got a few direct messages from them asking me, I believe, if I would leak his tax return. I think the only time I responded to them was hey, when am I going to receive the next leak?"

  • Notes Manafort claimed he took:

    Blll browder

    Offshore - Cyprus

    133m shares

    Companies

    Not invest - loan

    Value in Cyprus as inter

    Illici

    Active sponsors of RNC

    Browder hired Joanna Glover

    Tied into Cheney

    Russian adoption by American families

  • Trump Jr. told two congressional committees that he spoke with someone who had a blocked number after the Trump Tower meeting, but that he couldn't remember whom. Other witnesses have said that Donald Trump has a blocked number.

edits: added stuff

olddivorcecase
514
6 days ago

Offshore - Cyprus

133m shares

Companies

Not invest - loan

Value in Cyprus as inter

Illici

Active sponsors of RNC

Totally about adoptions. I believe that the orphans have a nice little fund in cyprus, and they're using the interest to actively sponsor the RNC.

Now, can we move on to important things, like separating immigrant children from their parents and warehousing them on military bases. (Don't mention the 1500 kids we "lost"; just a slight blip in the operation.) We love kids and want to help those without parents!

newtoallofthis2
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6 days ago

So totally contradicts Don Jr's testimony where he says it was all about adoptions and a complete waste of time and that Goldstone apologised to him for it being a waste of time.

Also - despite Don JR also claiming in his testimony that they realised it was a waste of time immediately and tried to wrap it up - it still lasted for 20-30minutes.

udar55
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6 days ago

So totally contradicts Don Jr's testimony where he says it was all about adoptions and a complete waste of time and that Goldstone apologised to him for it being a waste of time

You know what else contradicts Don Jr.'s testimony? The emails he released.

SetYourGoals
172
6 days ago

It's truly insane that they get to lie like this and get away with it. If Hilary or Obama tolf told a direct blatant lie about something involving treason or fucking a pornstar it would have been a political bomb going off. Not on Fox or Breitbart, it would have been the top story for every news outlet for weeks.

Don Jr. directly and provably lied about the nature of a shady meeting with Russians, and we know because of information he himself released. Trump directly and provably lied about the payment to Stormy Daniels, and we know because of information he himself released.

I can't believe this bullshit.

RightwardsOctopus
100
6 days ago

I mean, what can we do?

Conservative billionaires have bought out half the US media, there's a ton of people who don't care about truth anymore.

State sponsored propaganda is a half step towards totalitarianism.

Zero doubt conservative news would push for a religious American dictatorship if they could just reach another 10% of Americans.

SetYourGoals
33
6 days ago

In the end, we just have to wait for old people to die. There simply will not be enough conservatives left once this generation of old people die off.

The average Fox viewer is nearly 70 years old. In 20 years they'll mostly be dead, and there are far less conservatives waiting to replace them. That cycle will continue. The more people that are raised with the internet and access to information the more likely they are to be liberal. We just have to keep making sure the facts get out there.

whatsamattafuhyou
38
6 days ago

I fear you overestimate the length of remaining runway...

RowdyPants
5
6 days ago

Republicans are doing their part to kill off the boomers, are you?

Would you like to know more?

Rev1917-2017
4
6 days ago

Yeah we don't have 20 years to wait. Shit is serious now. Today.

HighVoltLowWatt
30
6 days ago

This is why they are pouring money into people like Dave Rubin. He’s literally got billionaire backers now.

They are pushing a narrative that “black people, women, LGBTQ people, et al have no case. They are whining for special rights and want to trample over young white men”

So the state of the job market had nothing to do with 40 years of wage stagnation and a constant downward pressure on workers or pushing workers to be independent contractors instead of employees with benefits.

The reason young men find themselves alienated economically, politically, and from a sense of community is that awful multiculturalism!

It’s a scary grift that’s working extremely well and it’s all about preserving capitalism for the rich. If they can distract people with culture wars they will turn against the economic policies of the left by default.

Now more than ever we need to be listening to the capitalist critics because capitalism/liberal representative democracy has utterly failed to address some of he most pressing issues of our time. We can’t do the same things over and over and expect a different result.

SetYourGoals
8
6 days ago

I can only hope that when we take back congress and the white house that they actually have the conviction to implement a massive socialized health care system. I think that will serve as the tip of the spear for bringing down the systematic suppression of the poor. Once people see that working, and their lives getting better, the ones with at least some common sense will not be able to ignore that they were getting fucked over before.

gizzardgullet
6
6 days ago

The problem is that the Republican party is becoming less about conservatism and more of just a "club" or "team"..."cult" maybe. They stand for less and less. It's just about winning and getting their's. Unfortunately this will appeal to more and more young people as the party identity shifts.

FeelMyContempt
4
6 days ago

People have been saying this shit for decades. It'd be nice if this problem just solved itself but the old conservatives are getting replaced with young conservatives. American society is bad at producing competent citizens and critical thinkers.

RowdyPants
5
6 days ago

I don't think the planet can survive waiting another twenty years to start working on our problems. Our climate is already starting to show signs of being majorly fucked

Two-Can-Win
5
6 days ago

The problem isn't simply old people, it's uneducated people. And Republicans work at all levels of government to weaken education so that citizens aren't informed, inquisitive and questioning. These qualities in the citizenry are antithetical to their agenda. And ignorance persists, despite old people shuffling off. They are replaced by new ignorant people who grow old and vote.

Uniqueusername12679
8
6 days ago

Uh...can we try rioting? Maybe a little French Revolution? I feel like we're all just big ole pussys waiting around to get fucked because we're too soft to fight back like the guy below you who wants to wait two decades for the old people to die like that would help after another 20 fucking years.

The time to do something is now

FeelMyContempt
5
6 days ago

We have to vote for Democrats. That should be obvious. I still get enraged when I think about all the stupid shit that I heard and read before the election. You could ask left-leaning people to vote for Clinton and they'd look at you like you were asking them to saw off their fucking arms.

Rockstep_
95
6 days ago

"133 million shares? That was, uh, our Facebook post about a poor Russian orphan got 133 million shares. Poor kid, so many people want to adopt him but they can't due to the sanctions!"

"What is this Russian child's name?"

"Uh... His name is, uh... Rosneft..."

shabby47
112
6 days ago

Kushner owns a company called Cadre which raised $133M in funding from Peter Thiel and a Russian named Yuri Milner. Milner bought a lot of Facebook stock through his company DST with the backing of the Russian bank VTB. The deal was done through Cyprus. Oh, and VTB was the bank behind the Rosneft 19.5% deal.

This all hits on stuff in Manforts notes .

Edit for links:

Edit: oh right, links

stuff on Cadre stuff on Milner

itzprospero
156
6 days ago

Cadre is an interesting connection.

They also need to look into the connections between Facebook, Palantir, and Peter Thiel

Slate - (Video) Watch Zuckerberg Struggle to Answer Sharp, Uncomforatble Questions about Peter Thiel’s Creepy Company (Palantir) [1]

Christopher Wylie testified before the UK Parliament and characterized Cambridge Analytica as:

”Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer using a foreign, military contractor ... to use some of the same techniques that the military uses ... on the American electorate." [2].

Wylie also told the committee that

There were senior Palantir employees that were also working on the Facebook data… There were Palantir staff who would come into the office and work on the data. [3]

The Paradise Papers reveal that Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook’s connection to Russia tech investor Yuri Milner. Milner was also a funder of Cadre, a startup Jared Kushner* left off his security clearance forms even though co-founded the company. [4][5]

Cadre is also in Peter Thiel’s portfolio. [5] Thiel, who was part of the Trump transition team, gained a role following his donation of $1.25 million to the Trump team. [6]

Steve Bannon spoke of how valuable Thiel was to the campaign by saying:

“I cannot overstate his impact on the transition,” Bannon began, describing Thiel as a hidden hand in shaping Team Trump. “You will see in the near term that Peter will be taking on new responsibilities, like intelligence.” [7]

On March 9, 2018, Palantir was awarded a $876 million U.S. Army contract. [8]

Thiel also attended that “Villains and Heroes” costume party/fundraiser that featured key Trump supporters:

Mr. Thiel dressed as Hulk Hogan for the “Villains and Heroes” annual costume party last month, hosted on Long Island by the Mercer Family, who were big trump donors. He shows me a picture on his phone of him posing with Erik Prince, who founded Blackwater, and Mr. Trump - who had no costume” [9]

Thiel dressed as Hogan after it was revealed publicly that he had secretly funded Hogan’s lawsuit against Gawker which ended up being settled for $31 million and severely damaging. [10]

Thiel’s connection to Facebook goes beyond funding. Their is on Facebook’s board and “Zuckerberg has continually defended Thiel’s presence” as a “balancing presence to stop the site from sliding too far in any one political direction.” [11]

Thiel helped lead a meeting that eased the concerns of several conservative media figures that believed they were being “censored” including: Glenn Beck, Tucker Carlson, Dana Perino. The meeting also included leaders from the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation. [11].

That seemed to set them at ease somewhat. Facebook cozied up to conserves for a Facebook Live party covered in this Gizmodo article titled - "Facebook Threw a Swanky Inauguration Party With Garbage Website The Daily Caller" [12] This party boasted a guests including: Laura Ingraham, Matt Boyle, Scooter Libby, Grover Norquist, and Martin Shkreli, who previously rubbed elbows regularly with Alt-Right trolls. He even offered to bail out 4chan by joining it's board of directors.[13]

The last weird connection is that Trump has hired Charles Harder—the attorney best known for representing Hulk Hogan in his lawsuit against Gawker who Peter Thiel secretly helped sue - to represent him in the Stormy Daniels case. [14]

It’s a small world.


1) Slate - Watch Zuckerberg Struggle to Answer Sharp, Uncomforatble Questions about Peter Thiel’s Creepy Company

2) CNN - How Steve Bannon used Cambridge Analytica to further his alt-right vision for America

3) CNN - Peter Thiel's Palantir is investigating employee's links to Cambridge Analytica

4) The Guardian - Russia funded Facebook and Twitter investments through Kushner investor

5) Newsweek - Jared Kushner hid one of his companies on a disclosure form - then profited

6) The Verge - Peter Thiel is joining Donald Trump’s transition team

7) Vanity Fair - Is Trump Mulling Peter Thiel For A Top Intelligence Advisory Post?

8) Bloomberg - Peter Thiel’s Palantir Wins $876 Million U.S. Army Contract

9) New York Times - Peter Thiel, Trump’s Tech Pal, Explains Himself

10) The Atlantic - The Secret History of the Plot Against Gawker

11) NY Mag - Is Peter Thiel Playing Mark Zuckerberg?

12) Gizmodo - Facebook Threw a Swanky Inauguration Party With Garbage Website The Daily Caller

13) Salon - Pharma bro Martin Shkreli — of course — offers to bail out financially troubled 4chan

14) Vanity Fair - “I Have Never Threatened Her In Any Way”: Michael Cohen Offers His Side Of The Stormy Daniels Saga

AustereSpoon
64
6 days ago

Ahh fresh poppinKR....wait a minute a new contender has entered the ring! Nice work!

itzprospero
29
6 days ago

Much appreciated

Oscill
10
6 days ago

Thank you for your contributions. It's really helpful to have cited work in our modern world of disinformation.

itzprospero
7
6 days ago

No problem

Simchesters
3
6 days ago

I hope it becomes more common! So much information is passed around online without sources, evidence, or context. Takes a lot of time but the easy way has led to the circulation of so much bullshit.

Yitram
6
6 days ago

Thought you were PoppinKREAM fore a moment when I saw all of the sources.

Rockstep_
9
6 days ago

Da.

Vohdre
22
6 days ago

133m is almost exactly the 1.25% that has been mentioned before...

I_miss_your_mommy
10
6 days ago

I'm pretty sure it's a coincidence that all the evidence fits.

albinohut
3
6 days ago

"If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's definitely a duck". -Trump on Clinton

"If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's definitely anything other than a duck. FAKE NEWS, NO COLLUSION, WITCH HUNT!!!!" -Trump on Trump

TriggerWordExciteMe
11
6 days ago

Now, can we move on to important things, like separating immigrant children from their parents and warehousing them on military bases.

And being partly responsible for the number of almost 60 dead and injuring 2500 over a piece of land you think is important! It's the republican way.

dondox
8
6 days ago

What’s this about lost kids? Haven’t heard that before.

molecularmadness
51
6 days ago

Federal officials lost track of nearly 1,500 migrant children last year after a government agency placed the minors in the homes of adult sponsors in communities across the country, according to testimony before a Senate subcommittee Thursday.

http://www.startribune.com/apnewsbreak-feds-delays-imperil-migrant-children/480901741/

I don't really know how one loses 1,500 kids, but there you have it. If it weren't so heartbreaking, that level of incompetence would almost be impressive. Almost.

wrecktvf
17
6 days ago

What the actual fuck...

albatross-salesgirl
22
6 days ago

This and the DHS database of journalists have my blood running cold pretty much all the time.

YourExtraDum
14
6 days ago

Maybe if the kids were labeled as journalists we would not lose them.

CpnStumpy
9
6 days ago

For me it's the children in solitary. I can't stand living in this country knowing that, but I have a wife and child I need to take care of, so can't just risk leaving..

albatross-salesgirl
7
6 days ago

I honestly want to know what we can do to stop them, I'm already working for a campaign and will be volunteering for others, I protest, I write my congressmen, what else is there to do??

olddivorcecase
9
6 days ago

I'm spending my time on getting the under 25 crowd registered to vote. If we're up against electoral fuckery, it's sheer numbers that will make the difference in midterms and 2020. I have voter registration forms with me almost always, and have had about 60+ enrollments. I'm going to have a big party on midterm election day; anyone that shows up with an "I voted" sticker gets all the delicious ribs and beer they can consume. I have 4 young adults in my house, and their friend network casts a large net around the young that can make a difference. Although we're in a bright blue area, if they see the power a vote has on the local level, they'll be more inclined to get and stay involved.

Honestly, it's our youth that can change this trend. If we can just get them interested and invested, they hold the keys to the future.

-r-a-f-f-y-
5
6 days ago

Good ol human trafficking, don't worry about it.

2muchPIIonmyoldacct
3
6 days ago

How many do you reckon found themselves in sex trafficking?

Witty_Name_Guy
15
6 days ago

Since all this group does is project, this is probably the real pizzagate.

zeno0771
11
6 days ago

I don't really know how one loses 1,500 kids

  1. Elect idiot reality-show president

  2. Allow him to put incompetent sycophants in all positions of responsibility

powpowpowpowpow
4
6 days ago

I'm hoping that those kids ran off to be with family members who are already here.

BadAdviceBot
5
6 days ago

Sure...if it helps you sleep at night....

powpowpowpowpow
6
6 days ago

I am sure that at least some of the kids know the phone numbers of relatives and just made calls. Also you are right, I don't want to think about sex dungeons.

chodeboi
20
6 days ago

That’s a plumb hung thought.

AnalSoapOpera
4
6 days ago

“It was clearly about adoptions! The kids name was Bill Browder and they just happen to have the same first and last name! What a coincidence! No Collusion!”

politics_throwaway_8
116
6 days ago

Stringer Bell: Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?

Manafort: Pretty much.

tinyOnion
8
6 days ago

He started writing illicit funds and decided better. He’s new at being a criminal. Either that or a city in Spain will have a part in this before this is all said and done.

PDXClink
5
6 days ago

This reference will never not get an upvote from me.

TrumpImpeachedAugust
90
6 days ago

According to this page, Rosneft is divided into 10,598,177,817 shares.

19.5% is roughly 2,066,727,473 shares. And I know this because QHG Oil Ventures Pte. Ltd. (a British company founded in Singapore) owns exactly 19.5% of Rosneft.

For anyone out of the loop, the Steele Dossier alleges that Carter Page was offered brokerage fees for this deal in exchange for securing the removal of US sanctions on Russia.

jaguarsinmexico
20
6 days ago

133m is roughly 15% of the 19.5%, is that a standard commission rate?

baatezu
24
6 days ago

Thats really high. Its usually like 0.5%-2%

edit: Looks like Rosneft is at 393.55 RUB, or about $6.32. Making 133m in Rosneft stock worth something like $840 Million.

pc_build_addict
4
6 days ago

And just imagine how much more valuable those shares could be if sanctions on Russia were removed AND the price of oil were to spike because of increased instability in the middle east...

Bronkko
5
6 days ago

thats the standard rate for treason.

TheTwoOneFive
6
6 days ago

15% is roughly 310m shares.

vfdfnfgmfvsege
10
6 days ago
NottaGuy
50
6 days ago

There are 10,598,177,817 total shares in #Rosneft.

Manafort mentions 133m shares in his Trump Tower notes.

If he means Rosneft, that'd be almost exactly 1.25% of total.

Is that amount the "commission" mentioned in Steele dossier?

18.25% to investors, 1.25% to Trump = 19.5%?

willkoufax
13
6 days ago

Jesus.

jsavage44
14
6 days ago

In a reply to his parent tweet he also says that 1.25% = $133m. Holy shit

originalityescapesme
8
6 days ago

Dis gon' be gud

charmed_im-sure
6
6 days ago
R_S_T_L_N__E
3
6 days ago

I thought it said LEEM shares and was shorthand for something. It's way too early for this out west

albatross-salesgirl
9
6 days ago

Well throw some coffee on your face, we got work to do!

that's pleasantly lukewarm coffee, of course

TWVer
5
6 days ago

Perhaps it’s (symbolically) related to Bill Browder. the instigator of the Magnitsky Act (named after Browder’s lawyer). He’s also named on Manafort’s notes..

He used to own $133 million worth in shares of Gazprom, which became $4.5 billion, after he uncovered malpractice and corruption by Gazprom executives tied to the mob/Kremlin.

Putin and the oligarchs absolutely hate Browder, for what his crusade has brought about.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/former-russia-investor-browder-tells-barrons-hes-avoiding-emerging-markets-1423486928

Browder: “… In the first two years of my fund—1996 and 1997—we went up 800%. Then 1998 hit, and the Russian market fell apart. Russia defaulted on its bonds, let the currency devalue by 75%, and my portfolio—$1.1 billion at the time—went down to $133 million

[The oligarchs said] ‘why would we allow our minority shareholders to have any money? Why don’t we just steal everything?’ ”

Browder on his subsequent business deals in Russia:

[...] we concluded that the management of Gazprom had stolen oil and gas reserves from the company equivalent to the size of Kuwait, over a four-year period. But the most important discovery we made—from an investment standpoint—was that Gazprom’s reserves were roughly 10 times the size of Kuwait’s. So, roughly 90% of the assets were still on the balance sheet. … In total, the share price of Gazprom went up more than 100 times …

.. I went from $133 million in assets in 1999 to more than $4.5 billion …”

Browder, in his time in Russia, fought corruption, because it made sense as an investor. He made lots of money, by uncovering business malpractice. However, when his lawyer became a victim of mob/Kremlin machinations, it became personal and he went on a crusade that in 2012 lead to the Magnitsky Act.

Revelati123
17
6 days ago

Hes been harvesting the organs of russian orphans to keep his vader suit working for centuries, so I'm guessing he was at least face timed for that meeting.

hup-hup-hup
63
6 days ago

Holy fuck those notes.

stack_cats
55
6 days ago

Illici if true

drfsrich
5
6 days ago

Don't worry, "Illici" is Russian for "Covfefe." Those who need to know understand what it means.

"Adoptions," I think.

Cat_With_Tie
29
6 days ago

Active sponsors of RNC

mfGLOVE
5
6 days ago

Yeah, WTF?!

wolftreeMtg
3
6 days ago

And yet still somehow the most coherent piece of writing to ever come from Steve Bannon.

jrakosi
27
6 days ago

Julenna Glover (probably misspelled as Joanna in the notes) worked for Cheney at one point, that's probably what is being referenced there. I don't think it necessarily means Dick himself was involved, though that would be delicious

smurphy1
14
6 days ago

As much as I don't like Cheney I have a hard time seeing him involved in something like this because he's A) smart enough to know it's illegal and that they will likely be caught and B) he seems patriotic enough to keep his corruption in the US (I was young during Bush years so there maybe some Cheney scandals that I'm forgetting that would refute that last point).

The_Original_Gronkie
7
6 days ago

Right. Cheney's a crook, but he's an American crook.

whadisabout
6
6 days ago

He’s a real straight shooter, especially if there’s a friend in between him and his target

newtoallofthis2
36
6 days ago

The following witnesses declined to be interviewed by the committee, but submitted material relevant to the investigation:

Jared Kushner (material received July 24, 2017) · Prepared statement to congressional committees

Paul Manafort (material received July 25, 2017) · Notes from June 9, 2016, meeting

Well, well, well - I wonder why that was...

SpeedflyChris
27
6 days ago
Ashitloadoffuck86
21
6 days ago

How is the Trump tower meeting about adoptions if Bill Browder is mentioned in Paul Manafort’s notes twice? Traitors need to hang from the neck until dead.

Edit: in

[deleted]
8
6 days ago

[removed]

SarcasmLost
51
6 days ago

Cyprus has been one of the biggest offshore laundering markets for Russian money for years now.

Even more damning, in this instance, are the ties between Wilbur Ross, the Commerce Secretary, & the Bank of Cyprus.

1000Airplanes
19
6 days ago

Ross is a name that needs to come up more often

Magnesus
8
6 days ago

Ross was behind that fuck up with tariffs too, wasn't he?

SarcasmLost
5
6 days ago

He played a large part in the pro-tariff discussions, he's Mr. "Campbell's Soup will only cost 1/10th of a penny more."

smartwn
50
6 days ago

Probably Juleanna Glover (misspelled in Manafort's notes as Joanna)—a press secretary for Cheney who worked with Bill Browder.

Erunai
6
6 days ago

Cyprus and other islands like it are very popular for offshore banking due to ease of establishing one and strong privacy laws.

Shilalasar
6
6 days ago

Not just that but you can buy dual citizenship there. And there are lots of close ties to russian oligarchs all ove rthe island.

DrNoPants
15
6 days ago

If it’s what you say it is I love it?

beingsubmitted
2
6 days ago

that last note is definitely "Write this down... when people asked what we discussed here, it was Russian adoption by american Families."

serbeardless
4
6 days ago

If the 'Russian adoption' note really was last, it's not hard to picture Natalia Veselnitskaya straight up telling them "If people find out we're meeting here, tell them this is about Russian adoption by American families".

Apostate1123
77
6 days ago

What was his response??

deepeast_oakland
131
6 days ago

Basically,

“I don’t know”

And in your response i t says "I f it's what you say, I love it, especially later i n the summer." Specifically what did you love about it? A. As I said in my statement, it was a colloquial term used to say, hey, great, thank you. I didn ' t want to deal with anything right now. We had other stuff we had to worry about, namely a pot ential contest ed convention . We were in the process of replacing Corey Lewandowski, who was the campaign manager, with Paul Manafort. There was a lot of stuff on our plate. Q. All right, but more specifi cally you say "If it's what you say, I love it." What was the "it" that you loved in that e-mail? MR. FUTERFAS : I object . I think Mr . Trump has answered -- I'll, of course, let him answer, but I think that question has been asked and he's answered i t. BYTHEWITNESS: A. Potenti al i nformation about an opponent .

Q. Pot enti al i ncrimi nating infor mat ion on Hillary Clinton? A. Yes. Q. And what about the thing that says "It i s part of Russi a and i t s government' s support for Mr. Trump," di d you also love that ? A. I don't know. I don't recall. Q. Did you understand that that would be problematic? A. I didn't think that listening to someone with information relevant to the fitness and character of a presidential candidate would be an issue, no. Q. So you bel ieved at the t ime that this would be pot ent i ally useful information t o your fat her? A. No. I agreed to listen and I was willing to listen and that's the extent of it. Q. But you did not believe it woul d be pot entially very useful to your father and t he

carbolicsmoke
79
6 days ago

I'm not sure what the purpose of the lawyer's objection is other than to coach the witness. This wasn't a deposition.

chicago_bunny
70
6 days ago

As a lawyer, I have also used the “you’re stepping in it, Junior” objection.

deusnefum
17
6 days ago

Would be great if Don Jr's lawyer made eye contact and loudly whispered in pig-latin "ixnay on the onfession-kay"

carbolicsmoke
5
6 days ago

DJTJ is exactly the kind of witness who would ignore the objection and keep talking.

ETfhHUKTvEwn
60
6 days ago

Q. And what about the thing that says "It is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump," did you also love that?

A. I don't know. I don't recall.

Lordy, knowing this conversation took place is so so satisfying.

Trump_Wears_Diapers
7
6 days ago

I was literally laughing out loud through this whole part. Really loved reading the way this competent, sharp lawyer broke it all down.

wolftreeMtg
6
6 days ago

"If it's what you say it is, I don't know what I think about it."

Ivanka was using the family brain that week.

HPBrocraft
65
6 days ago

A. As I said in my statement, it was a colloquial term used to say, hey, great, thank you. I didn't want to deal with anything right now. We had other stuff we had to worry about, namely a potential contested convention . We were in the process of replacing Corey Lewandowski, who was the campaign manager, with Paul Manafort. There was a lot of stuff on our plate.

Q. All right, but more specifically you say "If it's what you say, I love it." What was the "it" that you loved in that e - mail?

MR. FUTERFAS : I object. I think Mr. Trump has answered -- I'll, of course, let him answer, but I think that question has been asked and he's answered it.

BY THE WITNESS :

A. Potential information about an opponent.

Q. Potential incriminating information on Hillary Clinton?

A. Yes.

Q. And what about the thing that says "It is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump," did you also love that?

A. I don't know. I don't recall.

Q. Did you understand that that would be problematic?

A. I didn't think that listening to someone with information relevant to the fitness and character of a presidential candidate would be an issue, no.

Q. So you believed at the time that this would be potentially useful information to y our father?

A. No. I agreed to listen and I was willing to listen and that's the extent of it.

Q. But you did not believe it would be potentially very useful to your father and the campaign?

MR. FUTERFAS : I think that question's been asked and answered now three times. I'll let you answer it again, but my objection stands for the record.

BY THE WITNESS : A. Again, I didn't know what to make of it. I was willing to listen to him . As it turns out , my instincts were correct because it was none of those things.

Q. And in your e-mail you say "Love it, especially later in the summer." What did that part of your e-mail mean?

A. It means this wasn't some thing that I wanted to give much focus to , again , given the fact we were dealing with a potential contested convention and the very reality of having to replace a campaign manager mid primaries.

ender4171
3
6 days ago

Thanks, the other post was giving me eye cancer .

sammykleege
28
6 days ago

Thank you!

taotechill
13
6 days ago

No problem. Not sure why they didn't link to it in the article.

politics_throwaway_8
15
6 days ago

I fucking hate when they do this. In the CNN article it says "transcript released" without a link to said transcript (if it was, it wasn't front and center).

oth_radar
6
6 days ago

That's why I love NPR. They always embed it right there in the article.

nflitgirl
248
6 days ago

Every candidate should have to sign something saying they have reviewed and understand our Campaign Finance laws.

I have to sign a goddamn HIPAA law acknowledgement every time one of us gets sick and has to go to the doctor.

For my job every year I have to sit through AML and sexual harassment training, plus eight other fucking things.

No one should be allowed on the campaign trail until they have sat through some God awful continuing education course on how not to commit fucking treason/sexual harassment/bribery/etc.

Every other fucking Schmoe out there working had to acknowledge their company’s policies in writing with their signature, the least we can do is handout a trifold pamphlet on how not to become a useful idiot for Russia.

deusnefum
114
6 days ago

Politician is a strange career. Is there really any other profession where inexperience can be used as a positive attribute?

Politician is the world's second oldest profession and it closely resembles the first.

Zero0400
14
6 days ago

Politician is a strange career. Is there really any other profession where inexperience can be used as a positive attribute?

I'm inclined to think this was a special case, or rather that anyone with an agenda can and will use anything to gain leverage. I remember one of the big criticisms of Obama when was he was running was his lack of experience.

fuckswithboats
5
6 days ago

Politician is the world's second oldest profession and it closely resembles the first.

True but at least we want to get fucked by a prostitute.

Pablissimo
7
6 days ago

That's a really good point.

I suppose, legally speaking it may not make much difference (ignorance of the law is no excuse and all that, so claimed ignorance isn't a defense) but I can't see any downside to explicitly having people sign off on it, and the upsides are that it would force (honest) candidates to actually be aware of restrictions if they were not, and when validations do occur the "I didn't know I couldn't do that" defense is completely defused (to whatever extent it currently matters in public opinion, or determining intent, etc)...

JasJ002
7
6 days ago

Every candidate should have to sign something saying they have reviewed and understand our Campaign Finance laws.

They do. Once you've declared your candidacy, federal law requires you file monthly and quarterly reports. In order to get matching funds from the government (aka if you've raised over 5k$ in 20 states) you have to submit a letter and written certification that you'll play by it's rules. There's also a fuck ton of other paperwork you have to fill out.

The actual forms can be found here:

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates-and-committees/forms/

Vinny_Cerrato
107
6 days ago

It's like he is actually an FSB asset or something.

UmmanMandian
31
6 days ago

To be fair, his job is explicitly protecting the reputation of his client.

wildistherewind
5
6 days ago

"I meant blow up like Emin's career, the most widely loved singer globally. Mr. Worldwide if you will."

OyfromMidworld
501
6 days ago

“I appreciate the opportunity to have assisted the Judiciary Committee in its inquiry,” Trump Jr., said in a prepared statement. “The public can now see that for over five hours I answered every question asked and was candid and forthright with the Committee.”

Boo fucking hoo. Remind me again how long HRC had to testify during the Benghazi charade? Give me a break.

ninelives1
314
6 days ago

"I don't recall" is hardly candid

ToadProphet
57
6 days ago

Is it more candid than lying, though? Because we are talking about a Trump here, so this may actually be candid for him.

ninelives1
44
6 days ago

He had to rub those two brain cells together pretty hard to generate that thought

RickTitus
3
6 days ago

If he actually cant recall, sure, but this is most likely another lie.

ViperT24
4
6 days ago

People legitimately getting their news from Fox don’t listen to a damn word Shep says. He’s not for them, he’s to give the network some modicum of plausible deniability against their otherwise extreme (and obvious) bias.

Luvitall1
44
6 days ago

11 hours and it was publicly broadcast. Jr didn't have to do any of that. Wouldn't be surprised if he had multiple breaks as well. Hillary didn't get that.

Buttersstotch18
25
6 days ago

"But she wasn't under oath and it wasn't recorded so it doesn't count".

Even though lying to the FBI is a crime whether under oath or not but facts don't mean shit anymore.

alexunderwater
30
6 days ago

She was under oath and on live TV for Benjamin Gazee testimony.

Flowseidon9
4
6 days ago

was candid and forthright with the Committee

Hmmm, I don't recall that he was forthright

Flyentologist
388
6 days ago

2500 pages will take some time for journalists and analysts to sift through, but with that much information being publicly disclosed, there’s bound to be a lot of follow-up discussion about the findings over the next week or so.

ToadProphet
244
6 days ago

Keep in mind the Republicans agreed to release this, so there's likely not much there. Though clever folks may find things they missed.

PM_ME_USERNAME_MEMES
142
6 days ago

The Senate Intel GOP are slightly more scrupulous than the House Intel GOP, but yeah I wouldn’t hold my breath for a crazy bombshell out of them.

BoyJeanyus
63
6 days ago

This is the Senate Judiciary Committee, headed by Chuck Grassley.

smurphy1
24
6 days ago

Is it just me or does Grassley appear to more on the investigation side rather than the obstruction side over the last month or so? Not saying he is actually helping the investigation instead of hindering it, just that he seems to be creating the public appearance that he is helping.

katarh
38
6 days ago

I think he is like Mueller in this case, more on the side of both his political party and the law than on the side of specific people.

There are some old school Republicans who aren't too thrilled about the Russian nesting dolls hiding in their party, and know Reagan is probably turning over in his grave with their POTUS being blackmailed by Putin and the former KGB.

They're not going to deliberately seek to take down the administration, but they're also not going to help the Russians or any of the stupid people doing stupid illegal things continue to do them.

smurphy1
6
6 days ago

Idk, Grassely seemed perfectly happy to keep the two Mueller protection bills shelved for 8 months, referred criminal charges against Steele to the FBI, asked questions during open sessions that support the various right wing theories about how it's actually the Dems who were colluding, etc. Lately he doesn't seem to be doing that, at least in any highly visible way like he was before. So either he hasn't changed and I'm just seeing patterns that aren't there, he's actually supporting the investigation now, or he's trying to give the appearance that he's supporting the investigation. Even if it's only a change in appearance it makes you wonder why he cares about appearing to support the investigation when he obviously looked to be hindering it for almost a year prior. I mean it's not like he's up for reelection soon.

pinelands1901
37
6 days ago

If you consider Pence's office acting like a shadow administration, they're prepping for a bombshell that will eventually knock Trump out.

uncommonpanda
14
6 days ago

Shit changed after Ryan and Gowdry changed their tunes. My guess is some folks in the upper ranks knows Trump is fucked, now they are just trying to get on the right side of history.

RyVsWorld
6
6 days ago

What in the world has Ryan done to show he’s changed?

uncommonpanda
10
6 days ago

GTFO of Dodge before the shit hits the fan.

RyVsWorld
10
6 days ago

Yeah but I mean right now he’s still here letting Nunes run around like an idiot and pretty much enabling everything that’s going on.

DaisyHotCakes
12
6 days ago

Until Pence is charged too. He knew about Flynn and pretended to do his job. He was warned by multiple people about Flynn and Russia but he looked the other way. He’s complicit. Hope to see him do his time too.

ThorHammerslacks
7
6 days ago

Yes, but then it will be, "it never ends with you people, does it?"

LookmaReddit
9
6 days ago

Do they edit these like they do their transcripts?

onwisconsin1
7
6 days ago

I don’t think necessarily that more information is bad. You are right though in that the only info they probably approve of releasing is innocuous info meant to paint a picture of nothinburger

ChrisFromLongIsland
20
6 days ago

I believe in the Senate the dems can release on there own so the Republicans may have figured in the end they may not have a choice so they can look like they are cooperating for now.

SpeedflyChris
13
6 days ago

Well Manafort's notes from the meeting showed they discussed the magnitsky act at great length.

TweakedNipple
6
6 days ago

Well, if it's full of flat out lies that only total idiots could take as truth then releasing it could be a positive thing for R's.

dandmcd
5
6 days ago

Well, they just show DTJr was lying about adoptions, even Manaforts notes say it was about sanctions.

That's a positive sign Grassley wasn't completely out to pull a Nunes here.

fireorgan
4
6 days ago

i.e. Tune into Rachael Maddow tonight.

strangeelement
4
6 days ago

Considering what they released previously, especially the Nunes memo, either they don't bother reading it or are too stupid to notice something that makes them look bad even when they do read it.

FrustratedDeckie
26
6 days ago

If there is any good stuff in there I imagine shows like Rachael Maddow will be interesting over the next few days.....hopefully.

albinoyoungn
6
6 days ago

...And 45 minutes later I know everything about the Byzentine Empire!

jratcliff63367
17
6 days ago

I bet they find it has a high PPM count (perjuries per minute)

tomdarch
4
6 days ago

The Trump clown car has been pretty skilled at shooting themselves in the foot over and over and over. Looking forward to Giuliani or some other Trump moron (including Trump himself) revealing even more than is in the material the Senate released.

pipsdontsqueak
311
6 days ago

Two things come to mind when reading what's been revealed so far. First, the new information mostly goes to corrupt intent. Second, the Trump team routinely lies to the feds, so even if they did nothing else wrong, they'd be on the hook for lying. Emphasis added below.

Rob Goldstone told the committee that his client, the Russian pop star and developer Emin Agalarov, had insisted he help set up the meeting between President Trump’s son and the lawyer during the campaign to pass along material on Clinton, overriding Goldstone’s own warnings that the meeting would be a bad idea.

“He said, ‘it doesn’t matter. You just have to get the meeting,” Goldstone, a British citizen, testified.

The intensity with which Agalorov and his father, the billionaire Aras Agalarov, sought the Trump Tower meeting, which has become a key point of scrutiny for Congressional inquiries and Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III, was revealed in more than 2,500 pages of Congressional testimony and exhibits that were released by the Senate Judiciary Committee Wednesday morning.

. . .

The excerpted testimony shows that attendees at the June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting largely agreed with Trump Jr.’s long-standing contention that the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, did not transmit dirt about Clinton. She has denied she was acting on behalf of the Russian government.

But the new information helps explain why Goldstone had written the candidate’s son before the meeting that Veselnitskaya would bring “very high level and sensitive information” that was part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump” — and why Trump Jr. responded, “if it is what you say, then I love it.”

The excerpts also shed light on the anxiety that rippled through President Trump’s orbit a year later, as news of the meeting became public and his aides and lawyers tried to manage the story.

The testimony also includes new details about Trump’s long interest in building business ties to Russia and a relationship with President Vladi­mir Putin.

An Agalarov employee testified to the committee that the Russian mogul tried to get Trump a meeting with Putin when the Miss Universe pageant, which Trump owned, was held in Moscow in 2013.

The employee told the committee that Agalarov “secretly requested” the meeting through a Russian government official.

Putin agreed to attend a pageant rehearsal, but canceled at the last minute. Though Trump periodically claimed during the campaign that he knew Putin, there is no evidence the two men met until after Trump took office.

. . .

Shortly after his election, President Trump’s spokeswoman had said that no campaign officials had dealings with Russians during the campaign. Excerpts from the newly released testimony show that the president’s lawyers and associates were anxious about any reports on Trump Jr.’s meeting, which contradicted that claim.

“[Trump’s lawyers are] concerned because it links Don Jr. to officials from Russia, which he has always denied meeting,” Goldstone wrote in an email to Emin Agalarov on June 26, 2017, a few weeks before the New York Times first reported on the meeting.

Ultimately, lawyers working for the Trump Organization crafted statements they asked other participants in the meeting to distribute, a move that could draw scrutiny from Mueller if it involved communicating with witnesses or otherwise hiding the true purpose of the meeting from investigators. .

Trump himself contributed to an initial statement about the meeting and released by his son, Trump Jr. told the committee. It misleadingly stated said the meeting had been “primarily” about the adoption of Russian children by Americans. The Kremlin halted adoptions in retaliation for the Magnitsky Act, the policy issue that appeared to be at the heart of Veselnitskaya’s presentation.

After Goldstone was interviewed by The Washington Post for the first time about his participation in the meeting in July 2017, the promoter tried to assure two Trump organization lawyers that he too had offered a similar account.

*“I said only that the meeting appeared to have been about adoption issues and was quickly terminated,” he wrote in an email at the time. Meanwhile, Goldstone secretly fretted about the scrutiny he predicted would follow.,

“I hope this favor was worth it for your dad,” he wrote to Emin Agalarov. “It could blow up.”

murkar
210
6 days ago

There's a bombshell hidden in that paragraph you posted:

Trump himself contributed to an initial statement about the meeting and released by his son, Trump Jr. told the committee.

Sounds like the senate committee actually did confirm that Trump authored the statement about the meeting.

On top of that, there's damning evidence here that witnesses and/or suspects to a crime were coordinating their stories.

FalcoLX
50
6 days ago

On top of that, there's damning evidence here that witnesses and/or suspects to a crime were coordinating their stories.

Conspiracy charges for everyone!

nflitgirl
26
6 days ago

They confirmed it back in August of last year:

“The statement that Don Jr. issued is true. There's no inaccuracy in the statement,” said incoming White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders. “The president weighed in just as any father would based on the limited information that he had.”

BrutalDM
7
6 days ago

"LoOk, the president has been very clear about his light treason."

possible-spatula
135
6 days ago

“I hope this favor was worth it for your dad,” he wrote to Emin Agalarov. “It could blow up.”

wew, talk about some famous last words

edit: also,

The Kremlin halted adoptions in retaliation for the Magnitsky Act, the policy issue that appeared to be at the heart of Veselnitskaya’s presentation.

i wonder if the deal was dirt on hillary for a repeal of the magnitsky act?

TrollsarefromVelesMK
93
6 days ago

i wonder if the deal was dirt on hillary for a repeal of the magnitsky act?

We've known that was the deal for over a year. This will be the reason Donald Trump Jr. goes to jail and only one of the reasons Manafort, Kushner, Cohen, and Trump Sr. go to jail.

namdor
10
6 days ago

These dudes won't see jail time. Well Manafort likely will and maybe Cohen, but I'm pessimistic that the US judiciary system can pull off jail time for such wealthy, influential individuals. I would be happy to be wrong though!

isikorsky
3
6 days ago

Agreed. Manafort and Cohen they will probably be able to get on money laundering, RICO type charges that have nothing to do with the election.

They will get Kushner only if they can prove he sold access for help with his family business.

Trump will suffer political fallout, but I doubt criminal charges.

possible-spatula
5
6 days ago

i mean it could have been dirt on hillary for lifting sanctions, and probably other stuff that i’m not thinking of right now. or all of the above.

Herald_of_Nzoth
16
6 days ago

The funny thing about all this that I never really see anyone bringing up is how basically the Russian's scammed them.

There really wasn't any dirt on her.. they just made them think there was and they happily colluded with them for no real gain.

sunyudai
15
6 days ago

I think that's a bit of misdirection. I think the approach was:

  • Emin Agalarov's request to meet = We've got dirt on Hillary, attend this meeting to find out how to get it.
  • Veselnitskaya's meeting in June 2016 = Hey, so the Magnitsky Act is a problem, think you can do something about it?
  • Trump's "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails..." in July 2016 = Russia, I agree to the terms, release it.
CaptnAwesomeGuy
4
6 days ago

They made people think it was dirt so it was dirt.

Their propaganda was well worth it I imagine.

ne1seenmykeys
11
6 days ago

What? Repealing the Magnitsky Act WOULD lift sanctions. That’s literally what the Act is - sanctions.

This is two posts in a row where you’ve made glaringly obvious remarks but you don’t seem to be aware of how obvious they are.

New to the investigation? Bc this shit’s been out for well over a year.

possible-spatula
3
6 days ago

are you okay? you seem upset about me not being as well informed on this subject as you are. thanks for teaching me something new, regardless.

delicious_grownups
3
6 days ago

I think lots of people are frustrated that people haven't been paying attention as closely as they should. This, in this case, includes you. No offense. Just saying why they might seem agitated

_NamasteMF_
33
6 days ago

It was. Look at Manaforts notes on the meeting.

possible-spatula
22
6 days ago

welp, i haven’t been following closely enough. lol. stupid watergate.

tidalpools
9
6 days ago

i wonder if the deal was dirt on hillary for a repeal of the magnitsky act?

Duh

BudWisenheimer
39
6 days ago

But the new information helps explain why Goldstone had written the candidate’s son before the meeting that Veselnitskaya would bring “very high level and sensitive information” that was part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump” — and why Trump Jr. responded, “if it is what you say, then I love it.”

"... especially later in the summer." < That’s the part that reads to me as though there wasn’t necessarily an expectation of sensitive materials to be carried into this meeting. Rather, they’d be released later in the summer by Wikileaks or whomever (based on this possible interpretation of "later in the summer"). And, Trump’s subsequent tease that he’d be revealing information about Hillary the following week could just be umpteen-thousand example of his low comprehension level of what is relayed to him on any given day.

SetBrainInCmplxPlane
5
6 days ago

Yeah I have no idea why people think it matters that info wasn't physically passed along AT the meeting. It would obviously be an agreement to leak it to the public, not to literally hand it over to them personally. As many stupid mistakes as they've all made. There is no fucking way Manafort would ever allow Kushner, Jr, or himself to be physically in possession of a thumb drive containing that info. Never in a million years.

Freeside1
21
6 days ago

Ultimately, lawyers working for the Trump Organization crafted statements they asked other participants in the meeting to distribute

I suppose it depends entirely on the content of the letter, but this seems highly suspect. Is it routine for the defense to contact all witnesses to an event like this? Is it legal?

bishpa
13
6 days ago

Seems clearly designed to obstruct justice.

mpds17
3
6 days ago

Also why was the Trump Organization involved in this move? Aren’t they supposed to be completely separate from the Trump Presidency and Campaign

ramonycajones
18
6 days ago

I hate the way that people have accepted as fact that nothing came out of this meeting. Objective news reports treat that idea as a given (although this one at least only says that it's a claim), and that claim is used as a defense by Republicans. The people claiming that nothing came out of this meeting are the same people who have lied about every aspect of it and who would be criminally liable for saying otherwise. We should absolutely assume that something came out of it, until there's reason to believe otherwise. This is the same as the "Flynn lied to Pence" claim, which was made by serial liars covering their tracks but for some reason regurgitated as fact by every news outlet.

RepppinMD
12
6 days ago

All of this sounds like something innocent people would do /s

natalieilatan
115
6 days ago

Hope Hicks responded that the e-mails “will never get out”.

These people lol.

BasicDesignAdvice
20
6 days ago

"I deleted them from my inbox, we're good"

-r-a-f-f-y-
7
6 days ago

She probably thought they could acid wash them.

dinkleberg31
4
6 days ago

The layers of irony in this situation are so think you could bake a cake out of them and have enough left over for brownies!

strangeelement
5
6 days ago

Yay for consciousness of guilt!

Thalesian
40
6 days ago

“I hope this favor was worth it for your dad,” he wrote to Emin Agalarov. “It could blow up.”

It would be both

ne1seenmykeys
10
6 days ago

Por que no los dos?!?

CaptinKirk
156
6 days ago

Amazing how amnesia sets in duirng these hearings.

FrustratedDeckie
36
6 days ago

Someone should check the ventilation, maybe somebody has been pumping some fancy amnesia gas in?

stuthulhu
54
6 days ago

That's the problem with neglecting your infrastructure. It gets all leaky.

FrustratedDeckie
19
6 days ago

Then, hopefully, it gets collapse-y

Apostate1123
4
6 days ago

Is it really??

cogit4se
5
6 days ago
Scheisser_Soze
108
6 days ago

No, train bot. Not now.

defnotmyworkaccount
45
6 days ago

I will never not laugh at this.

grass-is-greener
41
6 days ago

No, train bot. Not now.

I had to Google this. I think it's going to be my theme for 2018.

moosebaloney
7
6 days ago

Thank you for saving me the googling.

AK-40oz
11
6 days ago

I choo-choo-choose you.

ohnutswhatdid
4
6 days ago

Hahahah

JohnnySnark
17
6 days ago

I'll call stormy, she'll get pages 120,000-130,000.

sammykleege
9
6 days ago

LOL, hey, Im down to jump on this train. Ill get 11-20, WHO'S GOT 21-30?

_Commandant-Kenny_
4
6 days ago

I'm down. 31-40?

the_mikepence
5
6 days ago

I'll.... uh... take 2110-2120!

goatware
14
6 days ago

I'm just going to skip over 2016, that's always a bad one for me.

workfuntimecoolcool
7
6 days ago

I specifically request page 2112.

BrettTheThreat
14
6 days ago

Don't Rush through it, there may be Peartinent information.

PutinPaysTrump
110
6 days ago

The Trumps are lying sacks of shit that sold out the US to get rich with the help of a foreign power. And they're given aid and comfort by the Republican party, particularly Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.

Impeach and prosecute.

sickofthisshit
9
6 days ago

"Impeach and prosecute" is not enough. Republicans have to be excluded from any position of power for the foreseeable future.

Impeaching and removing Trump to slide Pence into place with a Republican-controlled Senate will be worse, except perhaps less lurid stuff showing up on cable news sites.

quoth_tthe_raven
6
6 days ago

Right. You think you hated Trump's executive orders, wait until you see Pence.

Think Iowa Heartbeat Bill but as federal law.

ol_dirty_applesauce
108
6 days ago

Fox just told me the released documents show Don Jr. was “skeptical” about the meeting.

That exonerates the president. Let’s wrap this up.

/s

fishwithfish
21
6 days ago

Next time I'm about to knock off a liquor store and some random dude tells me he has the keys to the door... I too will be skeptical.

albatross-salesgirl
3
6 days ago

Life is full of these little lessons.

ManchiBoy
6
6 days ago

How is he skeptical when he said "I love it"?

wildistherewind
4
6 days ago

He didn't even think he was colluding. Case closed!

Rockstep_
99
6 days ago

Q to DT Jr. - "Were you aware of any communication between anyone on the Trump Campaign and Wikileaks?" A. - I got a few direct messages from them asking me, I believe, if I would leak his tax return. I think the only time I responded to them was hey, when am I going to receive the next leak?"

Uh, so did we know this before? Trump Jr. admitting that Wikileaks was leaking him info (about Hillary, presumably), and that he asked when he would be receiving more?

And HOLY SHIT why should he admit this so casually? The way he worded it almost sounds like Wikileaks was leaking him info in some way but his original (back)channel to them was cut off. So when they stopped leaking info, he had no sneaky way of contacting them anymore so he just straight up messaged/emailed them directly asking when they would send him more leaks.

ChrisTheHurricane
40
6 days ago

We've seen the DMs. WikiLeaks were encouraging Junior to tell his old man to keep saying the system was rigged. I don't remember much else of note besides that.

Redshoe9
14
6 days ago

Julian is such a fucker- this shit is diabolical. Trying to whip the nation into a frenzy for what purpose? So they can have riches?

nflitgirl
3
6 days ago

He asked them to proactively leak something benignly “damagingly” to him to keep up appearances that they aren’t biased against Hillary.

Jump_Yossarian
98
6 days ago

Guess which major cable "news" network isn't covering this yet?

psufan5
80
6 days ago

Fun Fact: Not a single Trump supporter will read any of this.

Thalesian
53
6 days ago

Fun Fact: Not a single Trump supporter will read

FIFY

Seriously though, over-reliance on cable news networks that put an emotional patina to the news to keep you watching has done terrible damage to this country. Subscribe to the news to support investigative journalism.

PutinPaysTrump
25
6 days ago

They will except they'll see the words:

"NO COLLUSION" over and over instead of the actual words.

nflitgirl
5
6 days ago

Next to Trump’s printer is just pages and pages filled with:

“All work and NO COLLUSION make Trump a dull boy! SAD!”

Then Trump chases Melania up the stairs, she fends him off with a bat and locks him in the White House refrigerator.

Jawne
38
6 days ago

Who else could be redacted other than Trump? Seems like the watching TV part is just as identifiable as using his name.

alleycatzzz
38
6 days ago

Oh, he was watching Television, was he?

Gee, who could that be?

sickofthisshit
6
6 days ago

Yeah, we know Trump (Sr.) watches a lot of TV, but he also seems not to be able to use e-mail.

Petrichordor
6
6 days ago

Also would never use the words "admitting to collusion."

katarh
8
6 days ago

That's a great "So when did you stop beating your wife?" line except the question came from a witness, not the prosecution. Interesting as fuck.

deusnefum
6
6 days ago

Jesus Christ.

David "[REDACTED]" Dennison was watching television.

CharlesChaplined
69
6 days ago

Trump Jr says he can't remember whose blocked number he called in between calls to Emin Agalarov. Corey Lewandowski testified previously and said Trump has a blocked number. I think Mueller can put two and two together.

anthropwn
40
6 days ago

It's either Daddy or one of Cohen's burners, guaranteed.

Thymdahl
9
6 days ago

Mueller almost certainly has phone records and knows exactly who the "blocked number" was.

pbnc
8
6 days ago

Just cause it’s blocked from incoming caller ID - I wonder if the phone company has an actual record that could be supeoned?

Petrichordor
5
6 days ago

There's no reason for a phone company to redact numbers just because you want your number blocked. Otherwise, every criminal in the world would do that.

CharlesChaplined
65
6 days ago

The meeting was about adoptions — adopting treason.

Edit: Russian lobbyist Akhmetshin told Senators Don Trump Jr. "was definitely in charge" of 2016 Trump Tower meeting and started by saying something to the effect of, "So you have some information for us?"

ninelives1
22
6 days ago

I see what you're trying to do here, but it was a stretch. 4/10

CharlesChaplined
17
6 days ago

I haven't had my coffee yet. I apologize. With coffee, maybe I can bump it up to a 5/10.

angelsil
10
6 days ago

I believe in you.

CapitalResources
11
6 days ago

Lots of options off the base idea though:

  • Adopting a new national allegiance
  • Adopting a new flag
  • Adopting a new loyalty
  • Adopting a new master
  • Adopting a new...
CarmineFields
6
6 days ago

I liked it.

Eraticwanderer
61
6 days ago

The GOP is claiming this proves there was no collusion.

Think about it.

The GOP is claiming that a meeting predicted on getting the help from Kremlin connected Russians where they discussed sanctions and hacked emails is proof there were no collusion with the Russians.

They want you to believe that meeting with the Russians (that they emphatically denied months) is proof there was no Russian collusion.

newsthrowaway1234
22
6 days ago

A Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did...

You deserved it.

merlotbroham
5
6 days ago

Actually this appears to be "if it happened, then it didn't happen"

bud_hasselhoff
5
6 days ago

"This obvious collusion proves there was no collusion."

not_that_planet
6
6 days ago

They are trying to Jedi-mind-fuck the faithful. That's all...

NutDraw
57
6 days ago

Important note: Simply taking this meeting under the pretext of the Russian government providing damaging information about Clinton is a violation of US election law:

https://www.fec.gov/updates/foreign-nationals/

The Act prohibits knowingly soliciting, accepting or receiving contributions or donations from foreign nationals. In this context, "knowingly" means that a person:

Has actual knowledge that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national; 

Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the funds solicited, accepted, or received are likely to be from a foreign national; or 

Is aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national. 

Pertinent facts that should cause the recipient of a contribution or donation to question whether it was given by a foreign national include, but are not limited to the following: a donor or contributor uses a foreign passport, provides a foreign address, makes a contribution from a foreign bank, or resides abroad. Commission regulations provide for a safe harbor: obtaining a copy of a current and valid U.S. passport would satisfy the duty to inquire whether the funds solicited, accepted, or received are from a foreign national.

beatle_mania
5
6 days ago

I wish more people understood this.

grandadmiralstrife
49
6 days ago

awesome. Release it early enough that the nightly talking heads can get a good grip on the contents, then right before Maddow goes to air more bombshells drop, forcing her to ditch the plans for tonight's show. Classic.

FrustratedDeckie
11
6 days ago

I’m waiting for the night where she makes a point that she hasn’t had to screw up the plan and make another show.

With the ways things keep going though, we could be waiting a while.

Bubbaganewsh
20
6 days ago

He's a lying POS just like his dad.

newsthrowaway1234
41
6 days ago

Is this being released because of Rudy and Trump's threats to go after Mueller today?

Grassly released them to try to undermine Mueller's investigation 😡

PM_ME_USERNAME_MEMES
17
6 days ago

that’s tomorrow my dude

CaptnAwesomeGuy
3
6 days ago

It is Wednesday, my dudes

ELI_10
12
6 days ago

Got a link/could you elaborate? I've been out of the loop lately.

Apostate1123
10
6 days ago

I think they mentioned they would decide if Trump would interview by 5/17. 99% chance they decide on “no” obviously but people were also speculating they would double down and use that as ammo to try to end the investigation, since it’s been a whole year now (their logic, not mine).

sarcasm_hurts
10
6 days ago

So its a subpoena then.

MisterGojira
6
6 days ago

It would make sense that they would try to do that.

ladylei
7
6 days ago

This is going to backfire like the rest of the released information.

angelsil
33
6 days ago

Productivity in US offices gonna be low today.

randy88moss
36
6 days ago

At this point, you’re either mentally disabled or an unAmerican traitor if you still believe Trump and Co are being truthful in regards to Russia.

Robo2ron64
17
6 days ago

Why hasn't Muller found any significant evidence of collusion after a year with basically no bounds

PutinPaysTrump
2
6 days ago

Or the best, considering literally none of the people in this meeting are behind bars.

MelodicCommunication
32
6 days ago

Just so we're clear: This is the Senate's findings, which are chock-full of details, in contrast with the House committee, which essentially said: "nothing to see here."

PutinPaysTrump
9
6 days ago

Well to be clear, I don't believe the Senate is compromised

MelodicCommunication
23
6 days ago

Not to the extent that the House is. The GOP still has control of both House and Senate though.

txdellis
31
6 days ago

"Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian Government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday" Rob Goldstone to DJT Jr.

Weren't they arguing she wasn't working for the Russian Government?

anthropwn
26
6 days ago

Right. And Jr. said in his testimony that he had absolutely no idea she was a government attorney.

Lies on lies on lies on lies.

Turtles all the way down.

accountabilitycounts
7
6 days ago

Of course they were. And when it came out that she's been a Russian agent all along, they pretended it was no big deal.

ThrillsKillsNCake
5
6 days ago

Yeah.

Spurty
28
6 days ago

Bob Mueller's reaction to DT jr: "lol"

wildistherewind
9
6 days ago

"Get my indictment pen. The big one."

PawnShop804
30
6 days ago

Q. The subject line is "Russia's largest social media network 'VK' offers Trump campaign message to over 2 million registered Russian-American voters in the USA." It has an attachment which there is two pages that follow . Do you recall if this was the attachment, the actual attachment to that e-mail?

Page 112 of the Trump Jr transcripts.

wildistherewind
5
6 days ago

Jesus! Well, that's going to be hard to explain away.

SharmaNY
27
6 days ago

So the GOP thinks this will help their case? LOL These naive idiots.

dandmcd
4
6 days ago

I think this was to put idiots like Pence and Rudy back in their place by telling them the investigation isn't being wrapped anytime now.

TumNarDok
4
6 days ago

for the elections yes, until November it will be buried and forgotten

AncientModernBlunder
30
6 days ago

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/996764513834856448

A Mooch sighting!

He sent an email to Rob Goldstone saying 'I don't officially start at the WH until 3 weeks from now, if we keep our message straight, we'll be fine.'

Haha! 'Oh Anthony! It wasn't about adoptions, Anthony! It was about this Sicilian thing!"

wildistherewind
6
6 days ago

Mooch come through to fuck things up some more. The grift that keeps on grifting.

Shanknuts
25
6 days ago

The front of Foxnews.com is telling me this fails to show anything regarding collusion. They read 2000+ pages and wrote a column already? That's impressive.

MatrixPrime81
7
6 days ago

I love the shitty photoshop job on their banner photos....3 faces and the fucking light source is all over the place there. Someone needs better skills

wildistherewind
4
6 days ago

Their audience can't tell if the Antifa logo is photoshopped onto the back of a Greek protestor. No need to up their game here.

unusedmonitor2
5
6 days ago

I grew up in a rural part of a red state. Fox News is all that anyone watches back there.

I honestly would bet that >40% of the people in that area aren't even aware of how easily photos can be manipulated.

saucytryhard
21
6 days ago

Early F5?! I’m all in! Soooo much details in this article

MuskofElon
15
6 days ago

Goddamn. There goes my day.

Apostate1123
4
6 days ago

If anything it’s a distraction from the pay to play and NK debacle.

FairlyBenevolent
23
6 days ago

Don Jr. lied his fucking ass off.

lunex
20
6 days ago

Basta!

SarahHS_Lazy_Eye
20
6 days ago

The Senate Judiciary Committee has released more than 1,800 pages of interview transcripts with Donald Trump Jr. about the Trump Tower meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, transcripts which offer proof that Don Jr.'s account of the meeting is, in fact, what actually happened.

This T_D headline is hilarious. Apparently interview transcripts which document Donald Trump Jr's account of what happened at the TT meeting is proof that whatever Trump Jr said happened is what actually happened.

Triple gold medals in mental gymnastics.

gomexz
4
6 days ago

Just like, the Bible is the truth bc I read it in the Bible.

Jump_Yossarian
19
6 days ago

There is ZERO chance that trump didn't know about the meeting, wasn't listening in during the meeting, and Jr. didn't call him after the meeting.

Colonel_Zander
4
6 days ago

With how close they are as father and son and as "business partners", I agree with you. After all, this is the guy that accused Obama of illegal spying while also having foreign intelligence spy on Obama's team members.

Pulp_Ficti0n
3
6 days ago

Lewandowski even testified about the blocked number.

PRIMEBIRD
18
6 days ago

his memory gets real foggy any time they start asking about the DNC hack.

weird!

Johnnycc
17
6 days ago

Ok so he definitely told his dad about the meeting. That would be the first direct connection with Trump himself and collusion.

PutinPaysTrump
2
6 days ago

Well that and it was Trump Tower

dcasarinc
16
6 days ago

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Trump%20Jr%20Transcript_redacted.pdf
Control+F for recall: 146 times.
Control+F for remember: 49 times.

I think Donny Jr. might have Alzheimer...

Chexxout
15
6 days ago

Not sure why the media doesn't call this the Collusion meeting, since that's exactly what it was. It would also help shut up the endless string of Republican liars who constantly say "there's no proof of collusion".

JobScience
14
6 days ago

I obviously haven't read the thousands of pages yet, but has Trump Jr. given a reason as to why he never contacted the FBI or any other law enforcement after the Russians reached out to him?

albinohut
4
6 days ago

This really should be the only question left to ask to decide if there was or wasn't something shady going on. We know Russians attempted to infiltrate the Trump team, and that they knew about it directly because they were contacted directly, we have the emails, we have the receipts. They can claim all they want that they "didn't collude" or "we didn't get any dirt anyway so no biggie lol" but if they were aware of an attempted crime by a foreign nation on our democratic process, and they didn't report it, that is pretty damning in and of itself.

meowbombs
15
6 days ago

What was that tweet DJT sent out hours prior to the tower meeting? Promising damaging information on crooked Hillary? Or something about her emails?

cogit4se
3
6 days ago

Very shortly after the meeting concluded, he tweeted;

How long did it take your staff of 823 people to think that up--and where are your 33,000 emails that you deleted?

Screenshot of the tweet

kidcrumb
11
6 days ago

Can we get a stickied megathread?

modest_radio
11
6 days ago

Much of the testimony released Wednesday revolves around the Trump Tower meeting when Trump Jr. accepted the sit-down with Veselnitskaya and invited his brother-in-law Jared Kushner and top campaign aide Paul Manafort to attend as well.

Goldstone testified that he, like Trump Jr., attended the meeting expecting Veselnitskaya would deliver a “smoking gun” to help Trump’s campaign. He testified that he was embarrassed and apologetic when she instead used the session to press her view that the sanctions imposed on Russia for human rights abuses,known as the Magnitsky Act, should be lifted.

The president’s son acknowledged he too was disappointed that the Russian lawyer did not provide more information that could be used in the campaign: “All else being equal, I wouldn’t have wanted to waste 20 minutes hearing about something that I wasn’t supposed to be meeting about,” he told the committee.

murkar
10
6 days ago

Funny. They went looking for a smoking gun but ended up producing one themselves...

StevieWondering1000
11
6 days ago

Looks like Donnie jr. got hit by a case of the good ol' Jeff Sessions Sydrom where he suddenly doesen't remember anything about anything.

Bobosmite
12
6 days ago

The Washington Post: "Democracy Dies in Darkness." ...as the page fades behind a paywall.

Not salty, just thought it was funny.

dr_spiff
2
6 days ago

It annoys me how often wapo is posted, but it’s behind a paywall. Most other subs wouldn’t allow this.

FujitsuPolycom
6
6 days ago

Can't you just incognito it?

merlotbroham
3
6 days ago

The paywall only goes up after you read a certain number of articles per month.

dr_spiff
4
6 days ago

And as often as they are linked to Reddit you hit that easy. Like make me watch an ad or something instead.

sammykleege
11
6 days ago

For everyone: use incognito mode to see the article. If your company doesn't allow that.... pay the $1, support your journalist.

Edit: Its actually only a dollar.

FullBodyScammer
11
6 days ago

Apple doesn't fall far...

Over the years the pageant had been held around in countries around the world including Cyprus, Ecuador, Puerto Rico, Thailand, Mexico, Bahamas, Vietnam, and Brazil

-Page 12 of Trump Jr. testimony.

Theman00011
10
6 days ago

Read the transcript entirely earlier, the amount of things he "can't recall" is astonishing. One thing I couldn't wrap my head around was he said at the time of the Trump tower meeting that he didn't know Natalia Veselnitskaya was a Russian lawyer but the email exhibits refer to her as "the Russian lawyer". Not sure how that works.

ShamanicHellZoneImp
10
6 days ago

"Who's the broad? I thought they were sending a lawyer"

Abderian87
4
6 days ago

Well, I mean, both Natalia and Veselnitskaya are common, traditional Jamaican names, as everybody knows, so i can see how he'd be confused.

oapster79
10
6 days ago

Hey trump, guess what time it is? IT'S SHOWTIME! !

I_CARGO_200_RUSSIA
8
6 days ago

Adoptions! Were russkies trying to adopt Dumbass Jr? That would be some MAGAnitsky act right there!

thedaveoflife
8
6 days ago

These revelations prove beyond that shadow of a doubt that Donald Trump Sr (i.e the current president of the United States) deliberately tried to mislead the American people about the purpose of this meeting:

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/996749347508408320

If the President had an shame at all or was held to a standard even close to what previous Presidents were held to he would resign. But of course he has no shame and is held by the GOP congress to a standard so low it is currently unknowable

ozzalot
9
6 days ago

Mueller......bruh!.....please start indicting people! Watching this stuff happening from afar is like watching your house burning down without a fire hose

w_t
5
6 days ago

From the Jr. Exhibits: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Trump%20Jr%20Exhibits_redacted.pdf

Who is "Jan" and why would they need "cover"???

Hi Don, How are you? we had a lovely evening with Jessica and Meredith on Thursday. Dinner was at Pepolino . Are you up for doing something during the G7 in Sicily with Fabien? we were thinking that with the G7 taking place that could be the '"cover" if we need it. Fabien understands all the background that would need to go into preparation and making sure there is no blowback in any way on you . No photos, no media, everything discreet. He is very keen to host you so please let me know if it would be a "go" . There would be a lot of pre-planning so please let me know as soon as you can. All the best, Jan www.janjonesworldwide.com

Eraticwanderer
6
6 days ago

Jesus...did anyone catch the press exchange that just happened for the handshake photo op with Uzbek President in the Oval Office?

That shrill harpy that screams at the press was extra shrill today.

“THANK YOU PRESS. YOU’RE LEAVING NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU YOU’RE LEAVING. YOU’RE LEAVING. LEAVE. THANK YOU! LEAVE! YOU NEED TO LEAVE NOW. THANK YOU LEAVE!”

rapid08
8
6 days ago

I dont recall is the defense taken by liars everywhere.

Codhomie9
4
6 days ago

So where's the smoking gun? (I'm really asking)

Also why is no one concerned the Russian lawyer (who admitted she was a spy) met Glenn Simpson before and after the meeting?

potato1
13
6 days ago

Why are all of your Reddit comments defending Trump or attacking Clinton or Obama? (I'm really asking)

deathtolamps
6
6 days ago

Because he's a paid discontent account, ignore the trolls and don't blame your Republican neighbors for what they say. That way the plan fails, these guys stop getting paid, and the internet wil be slightly less awful with them gone.

Shujinco2
4
6 days ago

It probably pays well

SarahHS_Lazy_Eye
7
6 days ago

So, per the Senate Intelligence Committee: "There is no doubt that Russia undertook an unprecedented effort to interfere with our 2016 elections." (said by the Republican Chairman of Committee). The Vice-Chairman also confirmed the interference was directly ordered by Putin in order to help Trump.

Rated_PG-Squirteen
6
6 days ago

I am still enraged by the fact that these news channels don't tell their viewers that Vladimir Putin literally banned Americans from ADOPTING Russian children in retaliation to the heavy Magnitsky Act sanctions. The answers are right there. The Trump team gave a fake reason relating to the purpose of their totally innocent meeting with Russians, and that fake reason is directly related to sanctions. C'mon man!

Ephemeris
6
6 days ago

Is this release a deflection from the upcoming Net Neutrality vote?

cogit4se
5
6 days ago

Schumer seems to be of the opinion that this is an attempt to shut down further investigation by the SIC;

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/387948-schumer-senate-probe-intended-to-let-trump-peek-at-potential-evidence

Pulp_Ficti0n
6
6 days ago

The parts about Emin are documented in the book "Russian Roulette." It's essentially how Trump wanted to meet Putin by having the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow, and it starts this entire series of events. Great read BTW.

WorgeJashington
7
6 days ago

Everyone remember to read Bill Browders Testimony to the Senate:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/534864/

It was about lifting Russian sanctions under the Magnitsky Act

DeltaAdvisor01425
6
6 days ago

Funny how this story, the one about Senate confirming Russia wanted trump elected and helped it, and that CA gave info to Russians is nowhere on r/conservative. So shocked/s.

ManchiBoy
5
6 days ago

Bank robber to judge - "I went to bank to steal, but nothing happened because I got caught before I could approach the Teller". Cunning Don Junior. Can anyone buy this dump person's testimony other than the conniving GOP members?

dtg99
4
6 days ago

Hoo boy are these people guilty.

Ploufy
6
6 days ago

I counted about 39 I don't remembers, and 13 I don't recalls. Looks like he didn't inherit his father's great memory.

JayCroghan
5
6 days ago

Trump himself contributed to an initial statement about the meeting released by his son, Trump Jr. told the committee. It misleadingly stated said the meeting had been “primarily” about the adoption of Russian children by Americans.

If you read this in a book of fiction you’d say it was too mental to be true. Fuck me.

aquarain
5
6 days ago

Why are these people not behind bars?

HappyInNature
5
6 days ago

"It doesn't look like anything to me."

~pro-Trump Westworld hosts

ReasonAndWanderlust
6
6 days ago

Today the Republicans confirmed what Mueller said back in Febuary; The Russians helped Trump and Bernie Sanders by releasing hacked DNC emails. The Russians did this so we wouldn't elect Marco Rubio or Hillary Clinton.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/bernie-sanders-russia-2016-election-interference-415691

By Helping Trump and Bernie Sanders the Russians were able to sow chaos that's still dividing us two years later. It got Trump, an unpopular candidate to say the least, elected while Bernie split the democratic party in half. There were large factions of the crowd at the DNC nomination boo'ing the speakers.

It's too bad we don't have some sort of constitutional mechanism to hold an emergency election between Rubio and Clinton just as a way to tell the Russians to fuck off.

Counterkulture
4
6 days ago

Imagine (even though he was in the building) still believing Trump had no idea this meeting was taking place, he didn't care, and he wasn't concerned with the outcome of it. Just IMAGINE being that person.

Imagine being a third of this country.

Choopytrags
2
6 days ago

And nothing will happen because they're all in on it. We're losing the Republic to these tyrants, people.

Phethegreat
4
6 days ago

So is it a coincidence that when Trump first met Putin that he brought up "adoption" again. To me it just sounds like BS. I wish they could put Trump on the stand because he's bound to lie about the smallest thing.

ElevatorPit
6
6 days ago

Seems like he's been lying about collusion.

niquattx
4
6 days ago

It must be infrastructure week!

AntiTheory
4
6 days ago

This whole thing is shady as fuck. Their stories have changed multiple times, and the emails show them as extremely enthusiastic about meeting the Russians (and they knew they were Kremlin-affiliated) about dirt on Clinton, but then they say "Oh that meeting sucked, it was boring and they didn't talk about what we thought they would!".

GOP selective memory is killing me.