Notre-Dame Cathédral in flames in Paris today
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OstidTabarnak
4 days ago
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Notre-Dame Cathédral in flames in Paris today
memberofmensa
8635
4 days ago

Part of the thirteenth-century timber roof construction is now collapsing. What a nightmare.

Edit 1: the spire has completely collapsed.

Edit 2: the smaller stained glass rose windows are destroyed as well.

Edit 3: most of the important relics appear to have been saved from the fire.

Edit 4: the Paris fire brigade says the fire is "potentially linked" to a renovation project on the church's spire.

Edit 5: the cover of tomorrow's Libération: Notre Drame.

Edit 6: French deputy interior minister says that saving the Notre-Dame "is not certain".

Edit 7: the western bell towers are now burning internally.

Edit 8: Paris fire brigade commander general: “There’s a risk that the great bell falls. If the bell falls, it’s the tower that collapses" (source).

Edit 9: some police drone footage.

Edit 10: one firefighter was injured (source).

Edit 11: Reuters is quoting an official with the Paris fire brigade: "We can now say that the structure of the Notre-Dame has been saved from total destruction".

DragonMeme
5378
4 days ago

most of the important relics appear to have been saved from the fire.

I guess thank god a lot of the art was removed for the renovations.

Edit: Guys, 'thank god' is a freaking idiom. Even atheists use expressions like 'thank christ!' or 'Jesus christ' as colloquial exclamations. God forbid (heh) I express relief that most of the relics and art was spared in this horrible tragedy...

Camerata1
1755
4 days ago

The beautiful 19th century pipe organ will most likely be lost too.

YouJusGotSarged
1556
4 days ago

The same organ that Mendelssohn, Vierne and Derufle all played. Utter tragedy.

openmindedskeptic
1394
4 days ago

Much of the stained glass was such a unique hue that it cannot be replicated. They glass maker who worked on it hundreds of years ago took his secret to his grave so that only the church would have it. What a shame.

Edit: It was actually the Chartres Cathedral I was thinking about, all the glass in Notre Dame was replaced a while back.

mys_721tx
749
4 days ago

The advancement in analytical chemistry may allow us to determine the element composition of the glass. If scientists are allowed to analyze the glass fragments, the stained glass windows may be restored.

blubblu
366
4 days ago

Hope so - but some things, like methods, are hard to replicate.

But yes once we figure the composition we can figure out ways to get there with the elements at hand, but will take a lot of research and tons of trial and error.

Blah it sucks but it’s what the scientific method is designed to combat

IAmTheSysGen
127
4 days ago

Also, I'm pretty sure current dye mixes and filters will enable us to recreate any hue the human eye can see.

If_I_was_Caesar
216
4 days ago

But a replica of the real thing. Something 700 years old has more deep meaning than a replica, no matter how close to the original.

No-Known-Owner
274
4 days ago

So in 700 years, the replica will have great meaning. Now we play the waiting game.

turmacar
62
4 days ago

It's been hit by artillery and burned and most of its iconography purposefully destroyed before.

Ship of Theseus is the only reason we regard is as the "same" 700-800 year old building.

Still sad, but "just a replica" is meaningless/all in the mind.

JuliaLouis-DryFist
47
4 days ago

Until it bursts into flames, then it's like... whelp... what ya gonna do?

TheFloridaStanley
35
4 days ago

It’s not like there’s a choice now

DragonMeme
228
4 days ago

I actually study amorphous material (silica/glass being one of them), and unfortunately, it might be very difficult to figure out how to restore it. The fact that it is being exposed to such hot temperatures is going to change the structure/properties (and how it cools will also have a huge impact on the glass) so any clues as to how the original artist made it might very well be erased due to the fire.

Edit: we'd be able to get an elemental composition, but it would tell us very little about the actual method.

delphinium_
11
4 days ago

I'd hope elemental analysis plus photo evidence will get us close. :(

readyseteuro
10
4 days ago

Is ANY of it salvageable? Small pieces unharmed or less melted are better than none...

BoredNotPassionate
7
4 days ago

If they manage to save some bits that haven’t been exposed to heat, could they possibly restore it that way?

Why downvotes? I don’t know anything about glass composition and was just curious.

adkliam2
63
4 days ago

A testament to the fact that despite all of our scientific and technological advances we are still no match for the unyielding march of time.

tikirej
5
4 days ago

We also don't know how to produce actual Damascus steel. Yeah the stuff we can produce looks like it but it has completely different properties.

Sieziggy
4
4 days ago

Is that true? It looks like we can create it's equivalent with modern techniques, as well as metals that far exceed it's quality.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/4kwnyk/what_makes_damascus_steel_so_special/d3j1mzp

astralairplane
7
4 days ago

My parents house burned in the 2017 Thomas fire in California. All glass melted except for what shards got expelled during explosions

sooprvylyn
6
4 days ago

Idk ...I think that's just some shit they feed tourists to make it that much more "special". I find it very hard to believe we can't exactly replicate a color in a medium humans have been working with for millennia...especially with spectrometers and other color matching tech we have available today. Sucks they may need to replace some windows, but I doubt it's that impossible to color match the originals. There are probably also very very detailed records of them to go off of.

psilouette
6
4 days ago

Damascus steel was lost for centuries even with all the technology we have.

AliveFromNewYork
5
4 days ago

Because the steel we have now is suprior. Damascus steel is now a historical mystery but mordern moterials are better.

DragonMeme
258
4 days ago

Obviously this is a tragedy, but I'm just clinging to as much good news as I can.

Chances are it can be rebulit/restored but still...

Wafkak
380
4 days ago

Most of Europe's churches and cathedrals were reduced to just a few walls during the world wars so yes it can be rebuilt

liberte_
381
4 days ago

Notre Dame (and all of Paris) escaped devastation in WW2 thanks to one of Hitler’s generals refusing the order to burn the city down

Wafkak
135
4 days ago

But the rebuilding of all the cathedrals that were destroyed proves we can rebuild it

TurtlesInMyHead
105
4 days ago

The stained glass windows were irreplaceable as we no longer know the method used to make them, unfortunately :(

Pvdkuijt
92
4 days ago

Just heard on French news livestream from an expert that most of the glasswork should be able to be saved.

borfuswallaby
6
4 days ago

I don't see how that's possible, that heat is more than enough to melt that glass into a giant puddle.

Dragon_yum
6
4 days ago

I really hope so, they are beautiful.

Wafkak
38
4 days ago

There actually is a stained glass workshop in my city that has remade a lot of windows that were destroyed over the years

chunga_95
29
4 days ago

Not remaking stained glass in general, but re-making the windows the way they were first made. It's done differently now, I guess, because the original technology is lost to history.

Paradigm6790
24
4 days ago

I very, very, very much doubt that that statement is anything more than myth / word of mouth anecdote that has gained life over the years because of how venerated the building is.

It's 2019 and it's a colored glass. Hell, MIT can 3D print glass.

Pun-pucking-tastic
4
4 days ago

Many people have tried to recreate the colours of church windows, but to this day none have matched the vibrant colours of the medieval glass.

The pigmentation is indeed lost knowledge. 3D printing glass is fine, but that's not the issue here...

Mithridates12
6
4 days ago

I understand there something special about having the original, but it can be recreated to a degree. Notre Dame will continue to exist. It'll be a bit different, but as others have pointed out, many, many churches needed to be rebuilt.

skinte1
5
4 days ago

Thats like saying we can't build a replica of the Pyramids today because we're not sure how they did it at the time...

Wafkak
73
4 days ago

While I agree, a lot of it was already replaced during a 19th century restaurarion

PM_ME__YOUR_FACE
33
4 days ago

Something something ship of theseus.

[deleted]
9
4 days ago

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SonOfDenny
8
4 days ago

With prefabricated panels, corrugated metal sheets, and faux bamboo lament.

plaidmonkey
387
4 days ago

According to what sources were saying, the amount of art removed for renovations was minimal, as they were attempting not to disrupt the cathedral's day to day activities or diminish the experience for any who visited. Art and relics were only removed as needed. For example, there were gargoyles on the section being worked on which had been removed for restoration.

But the majority of the relics and artwork saved are due to the efforts of firefighters who ran into the cathedral to preserve as much as they could.

dickbutt2202
123
4 days ago

History’s heroes

Draws-attention
5
4 days ago

Monuments Men.

historicusXIII
6
4 days ago

Modern monuments men

last_rule
63
4 days ago

Bunch of neckbeards. Nothing to see here.

DragonMeme
20
4 days ago

Thankfully, it pretty much stopped after I made the edit (hence why I made it).

Big_Tyrone
38
4 days ago

Shouldn't have even had to make the edit. Bunch of fucking dweebs.

drBOX
16
4 days ago

That is absolutely insane to me. They must want others to be tolerant of their views, without holding and observing the same tolerance of others'.

jungl3j1m
10
4 days ago

The overwhelming consensus at r/atheism is that this is a fucking tragedy.

DragonMeme
197
4 days ago

Except they think the fire might be linked to the renovations in the first place...

Of course, we won't know for sure until they do a complete investigation.

itsakidsbooksantiago
341
4 days ago

If it was tied to the renovation team, that means there was likely a slacking on fire prevention and response and my God, I would not want to be that project manager.

ohmyfsm
219
4 days ago

Yeah, he's fired.

Whalwing
282
4 days ago

The dude would be held accountable for burning down part of a 850 year old church that may be the most famous of its kind in the world. That’s a reealllyy bad day

kotkaiser
253
4 days ago

"Hi honey, how was your day?"

"I burned down the most iconic church in the world."

"...I saw a cute dog."

PFCDoofles
5
4 days ago

... And if we're being honest mon amour , it was on Facebook.

EPIC_FAIL_73
12
4 days ago

Definitely not something to put on a resume.

genesteeler
6
4 days ago

even worst than being fired

DickDickVanDik
6
4 days ago

worse*

lollapaloozafork
7
4 days ago

It’s worse than worse, it’s worst.

aarghIforget
20
4 days ago

To shreds, you say...

sotaskimmer
12
4 days ago

Sick burn.

sleepycatinarayofsun
75
4 days ago

It feels like “bad luck” if there ever was such a remarkable example. We shouldn’t blame anyone until we know and even then we shouldn’t put more sadness onto the team if it was an honest to God accident. They’re probably so full of shame like PTSD levels of horror.

the_honeyman
33
4 days ago

Yea I can't imagine what life would be like being the guy who burnt down Notre Dame.

sleepycatinarayofsun
25
4 days ago

It could’ve been machine malfunction sometimes shit just happens and finding a scapegoat will not make the pain go away. Sometimes things just happen out of everyone’s control. Simple mistakes happen too that really fuck shit up. We are hardly as in control or powerful as any of us think we are. We can never truly conquer nature. So instead of looking for justice without the facts ; let’s just focus on what we can all learn from tragedies like this. No one got hurt. That is a beautiful thing.

cybertron2006
5
4 days ago

Probably retires out of shame and becomes a hermit.

I wouldn't blame him at all, that's what I'd do if I accidentally burned down a 13th century cathedral.

garynuman9
7
4 days ago

One of my co-workers said offhand it was probably a stray cigarette butt, to which I replied, as a smoker, hey, you can blame us for the loss of the 1890 census, but you've been to a Catholic church right? There's never not enough candles lit to qualify as borderline irresponsible...

crestonfunk
19
4 days ago

Considering the lack of building codes over the time that most of the cathedral was built, I’d guess that the main plan was something like “whatever you do, don’t even let it catch on fire”.

I’d guess that once a fire gets going in there it’s over.

Luminox
14
4 days ago

Can you imagine the insurance company they use?????

roby_soft
103
4 days ago

Why do you have to apologise for saying “thank God”? That is so fucked up....

Shift84
27
4 days ago

Because people are fucken all ate up and spend all day no lifeing looking for "zingers" online.

Bunch of fucken dweebs

Dry_Soda
18
4 days ago

Especially considering we are literally talking about a CHURCH here....

Justadudey
8
4 days ago

welcome to 2019

linkielambchop
42
4 days ago

thank god

bruh moment

mundus108
20
4 days ago

Laughed so hard at this at work

ollyollyollyoioioi
43
4 days ago

Jesus Christ, what is wrong with people

TheHubbleGuy
40
4 days ago

Reddit gets butthurt and the very mention of anything religious. So don’t fret too much. Reddit is great, but also incredibly drone-like.

adherentoftherepeted
34
4 days ago

I think by "relics" they mean the religious icons stored there:

*The crown of thorns: While the authenticity of the relic has not been certified, the purported crown of thorns – a braided circle of canes that according to Scripture, was placed on the head of Jesus Christ as he was tried by Pontius Pilot before his crucifixion – is kept in the cathedral. The crown is encased in a gold and glass cover.

*Stone from the Church of the Holy Sepulcher: A stone said to be from the site where Jesus Christ was crucified.

*A piece of the cross: Another relic from Jesus’ Passion held in the cathedral is a purported piece of the cross that Jesus was crucified upon.

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-what-religious-relics-were-stored-there/YVW54Up7RJDi5utYkWQqsL/

OLKv3
29
4 days ago

Edit: Guys, 'thank god' is a freaking idiom. Even atheists use expressions like 'thank christ!' or 'Jesus christ' as colloquial exclamations. God forbid (heh) I express relief that most of the relics and art was spared in this horrible tragedy...

I can't believe you actually had to explain this. People will start fights over anything on the internet holy shit.

LisneyDand
20
4 days ago

Another silver lining is that, given its status as the most visited site in Paris, there’s probably enough HD photos/videos/etc of Notre Dame online to allow for a nearly perfect reconstruction of it. Had this occurred 15 or 20 years ago that would not be the case.

tarekd19
16
4 days ago

Guys, 'thank god' is a freaking idiom. Even atheists use expressions like 'thank christ!' or 'Jesus christ' as colloquial exclamations. God forbid (heh) I express relief that most of the relics and art was spared in this horrible tragedy...

I thought reddit was past this level of victimhood when r/atheism was removed from the front page.

DappercatEsq
16
4 days ago

You're giving me flashbacks to when I said bless you after a coworker sneezed, and a different coworker took issue with it, as I am an outspoken (but not militant) atheist.

ShnizelInBag
14
4 days ago

I am atheist, and I say "Jesus Christ" a lot

Totally_a_Banana
6
4 days ago

I guess they had a hunch that something would go wrong.

SyntheticManMilk
785
4 days ago

That’s one hell of a boat tour. “Alright folks, and to your left you can see Notre-Dame, the famous cathedral that has stood for 700 years, ON FIRE”.

Can’t get more of a history tour than that!

brycedriesenga
309
4 days ago

"Is it... is it always doing that?"

Jokes aside, this is extremely unfortunate.

tomatoaway
83
4 days ago

"Is it... is it always doing that?"

(looks nervous) "Yes."

NormGreenSucks
52
4 days ago

It's just the Northern Lights.

nextmilanhome
20
4 days ago

At this time of the year?

beeebenton
13
4 days ago

...May I see it?

nextmilanhome
11
4 days ago

........

No.

Stereotypy
15
4 days ago

localized entirely within a unesco world heritage site?!?

NormGreenSucks
7
4 days ago

Yes.

notfromchicagoornyc
7
4 days ago

Couaque

seranikas
6
4 days ago

"Our steeple fire back at home burned longer and brighter than that, Janice. I told you this trip was a waste of money" old man Artie, master complainer.

norse95
83
4 days ago

damn that's some good footage, man

honestFeedback
32
4 days ago

Would be even better if he didn’t zoom in and out like a thing that zooms in and out too much.

yokeybear
15
4 days ago

Actually would have been better if he had a drone to get a better angle

Pumperkin
7
4 days ago

Actually would have been better if he was in the building

THE_GR8_MIKE
49
4 days ago

Nice angle on it. Terrible event, but good video nonetheless.

Monster5Mouse
29
4 days ago

Jesus Christ it’s like the tiles are being pulled off by the flames.

runfayfun
6
4 days ago

The temperatures generated by the fire can generate massive atmospheric turbulence due to pressure differences, and thus very powerful winds.

Hellknightx
30
4 days ago

That must be horrific. I hope they can save it - it would be terrible to lose such a historic monument.

[deleted]
47
4 days ago

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byebyebrain
7
4 days ago

Notre Dame’s main structure has been “saved and preserved”, a Paris fire official has announced.

“We can consider that the two towers of the north belfry Notre-Dame have been saved,” he tells BFMTV. “The structure of Our Lady is saved as a whole.”

kotkaiser
20
4 days ago

That video makes it hard to believe for me that they will manage to save anything. This is devastating.

OSCgal
7
4 days ago

Notre Dame will be rebuilt in some form, you can count on it. The Dresden Frauenkirche was firebombed in WWII until this was all that was left. They rebuilt.

838291836389183
4
4 days ago

Yea even the relatively unknown castles were rebuilt after ww2 and now no-one cares. Shit happens and we probably have precise plans to rebuild. What's more important is is that no one died, although a firefighter was injured (hopefully he recovers fully).

Smarag
12
4 days ago

You can sell footage like this for several hundred bucks the first few hours after an event like this.

uraniumingot
167
4 days ago

As sad as it may be, a wise person once said, "everything that has a beginning has an end". Don't be sad that it's gone, be glad that it once existed.

bigbluethunder
11
4 days ago

I share your optimism, but it’s still moderately disappointing that I may never see the original windows. Kind of a bummer given all they survived.

enty6003
9
4 days ago

Wasn't that a woman?

WafflelffaW
17
4 days ago

probably, but that’s never stopped us from taking credit before

uraniumingot
7
4 days ago

I don't know. The person I was referring to was an unknamed developer of GoAgent, a proxy for bypassing Chinese internet censorship. One day he just deleted the project and was never heard from again. That message is all that was left on the project page. It was an important moment in my life, and has been my motto ever since. To me, that was one of the most important things that happened in my childhood. I've changed the above comment a bit to make it a bit better. Hope it helps.

H3xag0n3
8
4 days ago

Link ?

femdemgem
22
4 days ago
MrMeesee
8
4 days ago

Haunting stuff. Thanks for the link

3than_OG
51
4 days ago

And was there with my girl friend just last Thursday, it’s truly heartbreaking, rebuilding some nearly millennia old parts isn’t possible the rose windows are gone now lost to the fire, the organs mostly likely gone

dasvenson
11
4 days ago

My fiance was excited to see it for the first time when we go to Paris for our honeymoon next month 😢

hectorduenas86
64
4 days ago

Hopefully they’re able to rebuild it and restore it, maybe not to it’s original magnificence but long enough for someone like me to enjoy it one day.

Doggleganger
99
4 days ago

I'm sure they can rebuild the parts that are destroyed, but it won't have that authenticity that comes with 900 years of age.

imnewwhatdoido
109
4 days ago

900 years from now the tour guides (or bots) will talk about the Great Fire of 2019

Heysoos_of_Arlandria
29
4 days ago

It's crazy. You hear about these wonderful structures that are now ruins due to a fire or earthquake hundreds of years ago. This is developing right now.

robsteezy
30
4 days ago

I understand the sentiment but for something to have lasted 900 years through the crusades and wars is already a feat in itself. This is definitely a time for mourning but there’s something to be appreciated too and that legacy shouldn’t be tarnished with sadness. I’m hoping to see 80, let alone 900.

OP_IS_A_BASSOON
19
4 days ago

Sure it will. It’s the Cathedral of Notre Dame regardless of renovations. This is the next chapter of it. There was a fascinating exhibit on the inside of it showing all of the phases of the church expansions and renovations, and we don’t at any point discount the current status as being inauthentic because it wasn’t part of the church 300 years ago or 400 years ago.

It’s a horrific event that actually shed a few tears for this afternoon, but this can be the next chapter of the cathedral.

Ernesto_Griffin
6
4 days ago

It has been rebuild and had additions during the times. What we got to see in modern times wasn't the look it had in the 1100s. So to put it in that perspective, alot of very old buildings aren't in their orignal clothing anyway.

CaptainLhurgoyf
4
4 days ago

The cathedral in its current state only dated back to 1869, when the last major renovation was completed. It was partially in ruins when Victor Hugo was writing about it, and he inspired the king at the time to have it rebuilt. Nothing saying that can't happen again.

c4thgp
94
4 days ago

The building is one of the most documented structures on the planet. It will be rebuilt with precision, and there will be a fucking sprinkler system.

hectorduenas86
121
4 days ago

Introducing: Notre Dame 2.0, WiFi included, VR praying station and Holy Water sprinkler system.

thatJainaGirl
26
4 days ago

Technically, any water can be holy water if a priest blesses it. Any currently installed sprinkler system can be retrofitted into a holy water dispensing system!

SanguisFluens
3
4 days ago

I hope you don't plan on going to France any time soon. Rebuilding (or in this case, more like building again from the ground up) a cathedral on that scale takes decades.

jtbxiv
8
4 days ago

Right? Imagine going to bed tonight knowing you accidentally fucking burned down Notre Dame.

My heart goes out to those who were responsible for the blaze. If it truly is an accident they must be feeling immense guilt.

firezenk
5
4 days ago

Thank you for this updates

whathewhathaha
5
4 days ago

Thanks for... Keep us all informed. This is not just important to Parisians or the French. History itself, especially regarding Europe and it's history, need this icon. Art can be remembered, but never truly duplicated.

tradiuz
3547
4 days ago

It looks like it was related to the ongoing construction.

Losing or even major damage to an architectural masterpiece like this is just devastating.

MrBrawn
1087
4 days ago

According to my family members is was because of communist muslims taking over the city. I shit you not.

EMAW2008
538
4 days ago

was curious how long it would take for that kind of claim to be made....

MrBrawn
304
4 days ago

Like literally minutes. I am getting texts now. Fucking crazy.

Attican101
112
4 days ago

While Communist Muslims is pretty damn crazy they did put up an 8ft security fence around The Eiffel Tower after that machete attack at The Louvre in 2017, the wall was said to be temporary so by now could be taken down though with the yellow vest protests may have been kept as a precaution

RomanCastevet666
160
4 days ago

They foiled a terrorist attack that was targeting the cathedral 3 days before the fire broke out, not entirely prosperous some people could rush to that conclusion.

50ShadesOfFuckThis
143
4 days ago

The word you're looking for is preposterous.

kotkaiser
93
4 days ago

Live long and preposterous

[deleted]
35
4 days ago

[removed]

Mithrandito
113
4 days ago

Imagine if they were GAY Communist Muslims.

z500
51
4 days ago

Communism is already gay, and fully automated.

JamesTiberiusChirp
20
4 days ago

and luxuriously in space

Oilfan94
5
4 days ago

They're here to take your men AND your jobs.

tehlemmings
5
4 days ago

Seize the means of reproduction! Caress the means of reproduction!

imthatguydavid
4
4 days ago

Drop the nukes!

jskoker
14
4 days ago

Great, now we have Gay Communist Muslims with Superpowers!

Why did we expose them to radiation!

imthatguydavid
6
4 days ago

Oh god, what have I done!

yildizli_gece
6
4 days ago

Now, now--don't forget that he also faithfully went to the same church for some 30 years--led by a Black Panther who hates white people--so he could have cover for the fact that he was and is, in fact, a secret Commie Muslim atheist.

randomnickname99
6
4 days ago

From Kenya.

Vio_
8
4 days ago

It actually used to be a thing- especially in the 60s. When I was in the Peace Corps, the police had to do "communist background checks" on our host families. Right in the middle of nowhere High Atlas Mountains, the cops were doing communist checks on middle aged women.

When we all got back outside, some dude carrying a 6 ft rebar piece was raging down the street and wanting to go beat up his wife. The host mothers all tore down the street, ripped the metal away from him, and shamed him right then and there.

Cops didn't do shit despite being half a block away.

Later in a different time, I was talking to an older woman PC worker, and she was laughing. "back in the 60s, nobody wore a veil and we were all communists."

With that said, those rightwing morons wouldn't know a Communist Muslim even if one bitch slapped them and yelling "shuma!" at the same time.

Chayden153
16
4 days ago

The first thing I thought was a terrorist attack to be honest

test_tickles
13
4 days ago

communist muslims

How does that work?

echoplus2020
14
4 days ago

PKK?

Rojava?

Ominusx
9
4 days ago

They are not mutually exclusive

EldeederSFW
7
4 days ago

Same way as communist christians I would assume.

WarGodPuffy
13
4 days ago

There have been 10 Muslim terrorist attacks on churches in France in the past month, is it really that far-fetched? I'm not accusing anyone of anything by the way, just saying

locotx
7
4 days ago

Its Holy Week.... its possible

ivanruskov
8
4 days ago

Islamists are fascist btw.

toapat
947
4 days ago

Not irreplacible, Notre Dame has burned down before, been hit by artillery, and shot.

Still: Why the Parisan Fire Departments cant get 40 firetrucks onto a monument in an hour, seems negligent on the part of French Government.

sandrews1313
552
4 days ago

While negligent in it's duties is pretty much a French government sport, the road system is atrocious; more like alleyways than a proper road in a major modern city. There aren't 2 roads in all of that city that meet at 90 degrees. Topping that, it's on an island. Yet still, I'm aware major fire departments in major cities roleplay disaster scenarios on major buildings and structures. The response is definitely left wanting.

GastSerieusOfwa
302
4 days ago

So what's your solution, destroy the monuments to create bigger roads?

That's just inherent to old cities.

anomalous_cowherd
557
4 days ago

The US doesn't really understand 'old'.

EldeederSFW
204
4 days ago

That's so true. West of the Mississippi, finding anything pre 1900 feels really old.

amusing_trivials
156
4 days ago

They don't have adequate roads for fire response either !

Womeisyourfwiend
29
4 days ago

You aren’t wrong!

Wetald
14
4 days ago

If your adobe house catches fire, does the fire just harden the house? 🤔

Zeterai
19
4 days ago

Hope ya got your rock throwin' licence. Else the bobbies 'll 'av ya.

nightmareonrainierav
16
4 days ago

historic preservationist here: don't do that, please.

be nice to old buildings.

MrHarlz
6
4 days ago

I live in a house that was built about 70 years after the America was discovered

coranos2
10
4 days ago

Well that's kind of what happened, yes.

choose which monuments to destroy, or you lose whichever one happens to set fire at a bad time.

owningmclovin
7
4 days ago

Paris has literally done this already.

In the 1850s-1870s they demolished whole sections of the city which had stood for hundreds of years in order to update the capitol for it's modern (At the time) needs.

Not to say that should be the solution now. But it is certainly not unprecedented.

Emaknz
54
4 days ago

Clearly you've never been to Boston

Paradigm6790
23
4 days ago

Hey, Boston was planned. They threw spaghetti on a table and traced the noodles to form the roads.

PippyLongSausage
21
4 days ago

Atlanta would like a word with you

runfayfun
18
4 days ago

Atlanta was planned, as a joke on drivers

mccrea_cms
9
4 days ago

While there may be a case for highly segregated uses separated by enormous grid-lain thoroughfares from a fire suppression perspective, this form of land use is far more efficient from a tax and infrastructure point of view than what we see in the US / Canada. The planning we see in Paris and in much of Europe is the direction planners want to see our cities go, not in the direction you've described.

desGrieux
7
4 days ago

more like alleyways than a proper road in a major modern city.

Are you fucking crazy? Yes we like it like that. Most people are sad of the massive destruction of our cities in the 1800s to make room for wider roads. Much of Paris and other major cities was lost, and it made the city more spread out and made people more dependent on cars, which makes the environment even shittier and the place much uglier.

There aren't 2 roads in all of that city that meet at 90 degrees. Topping that, it's on an island.

I can still get across and around Paris faster than any comparable city that I've been in that has a grid.

Yeah, and just fuck you for your shitty attitude and pretending like you know what you're talking about.

Ski4IPA
73
4 days ago

Fine, then take a nap. Then. PUT OUT LE FIRE!

Jabazaba
24
4 days ago

Well have a nap...

lenswipe
18
4 days ago

ZEN FIRE ZE MISSILEZ!

WasANudist
49
4 days ago

Unpopular opinion maybe:

It really is a shame that something like this is being damaged and even worse that the stuff inside is being lost, but that happens all throughout history.

We've always lost irreplaceable pieces of our culture and heritage and we will lose more in the future. So I feel a weird deep sadness seeing it burn, but I also feel... indifferent.

They'll rebuild. We'll create more art.

These things happen. (Not saying let's go brun all our cultural artifacts. Just saying they are lost to history all the time, but it still sucks when it actually happens)

toapat
74
4 days ago

TBF, Notre Dame is one of the most well documented structures in the world. They will absolutely be able to restore the building to its Post-WW2 design, assuming the Catholic Church doesnt commission entirely new stained glass designs which I assume it will to have a singular set of windows in the Cathedral.

PowerPINKPenny
27
4 days ago

It was actually the most visited monument in all of Europe.

Just pray for the towers to stay

CaptBoids
10
4 days ago

The building isn't owned by the Church. It is property of the French State. Renovations and upkeep are the responsibility of the Ministry of Culture

You would assume that they get plenty of money to safeguard heritage, yes? Wrong.

http://time.com/4876087/notre-dame-cathedral-is-crumbling/

They don't. Like most countries, culture and heritage don't get nearly enough funding to keep the lights on. You would be appalled if you knew how many cultural sites are actually scraping the bottom of the barrel to stay operational. Even with hundreds of thousands of visitors a year.

The reality is that the vast majority of people take heritage for granted and assume that government takes measures to safeguard the memory of the world. Sadly, that's far removed from the truth as chronic defunding and infighting blocks any meaningful repairs. This happens exactly because people take heritage for granted and don't think about the costs of safeguarding objects.

Only when things burn down, people suddenly care. By then, it's too late.

bicho6
59
4 days ago

I get what your saying.. and people will feel that way in a few hours/days/weeks/months from now. But while it's still happening lets let people be sad. As far as i'm aware this was an active cathedral,a place of worship. I understand weddings were still held there. This isn't just some 1000 year old relic dug out of the dirt. This meant a lot of things to a lot of people,especially the Parisians, so lets let them be sad.

NiteAngyl
7
4 days ago

You put it in words.

ZuMelon
22
4 days ago

We can always build something that will break down. The cathedrale withstood wars, revolutions, 100s of years and was a masterpiece of architecture. It is like losing a piece of art done by humankind forever

wendyspeter
5
4 days ago

Yeah, get Damien Hirst or Paul McCarthy to resculpt the gallery of Kings...fact is there aren't stone carvers/stain glass artists of anywhere near the same callibre or will ever be for that matter...such a loss. Hoping the front holds.

lilfish222
1494
4 days ago

This cathedral has stood for centuries, this better not be the last...

knollexx
1089
4 days ago

This isn't the first cathedral in a european city that burns, and it won't be the last to be rebuilt. WW2 saw the partial destruction of churches almost twice as old as Notre Dame is now, and they're still standing.

Deathspacito
269
4 days ago

One could even say it's tradition. It's not the first and most likely won't be the last.

TreeGoatee
61
4 days ago

It means they elected a new king of hell.

sonic_knx
10
4 days ago

elected

King

Monarchies are really progressive in the 21st century

wanderingwolfe
12
4 days ago

Elective monarchies have been around for a long while.

Dugen
18
4 days ago

Maybe this time they can include a sprinkler system.

tangoshukudai
5
4 days ago

What is older that is still standing? (just curious) ND was built in the 1100s.

knollexx
11
4 days ago

The cathedral here in Aachen, for example. Finished in 803 AD, heavily damaged by bombing raids during the latter days of WW2, completely rebuilt five years later. Also the very first World Heritage Site.

blitsandchits
225
4 days ago

Stone can pop / explode if in a fire. Structural integrity can be lost.

mlmayo
18
4 days ago

At those temperatures I would be concerned the walls could crumble.

frenchpan
40
4 days ago

The danger of partial collapses is still real though, hopefully it won't happen.

ssbmhero
30
4 days ago

Neither is steel.

iprmusic
48
4 days ago

Something something jet fuel.

thru_dangers_untold
20
4 days ago

Correct, stone doesn't burn. But it does crack and crumble in high heat. The parts still standing may need to be knocked down before the rebuild. Time will tell.

LemonsForLimeaid
7
4 days ago

Vaulted ceilings need flying buttresses to counter act the force. If they are weakened substantially the roof can collapse

The2ndYoOoster
16
4 days ago

Those candles and torches didn't reach the (flammable) roof. The walls are made of stone so they can't burn.

JuicyPluot
1320
4 days ago

That looks devastating. I hope they can extinguish it quickly.

atxtonyc
1087
4 days ago

They are not extinguishing it quickly. The spire is down.

Frozty23
963
4 days ago

Trump says they should dump water on it.

phillips421
1241
4 days ago

Like, from the toilet?

bryanenc
222
4 days ago

Brondo is what plants crave.

TEX4S
84
4 days ago

It has electrolytes!

AbsolutelyNotTim
4
4 days ago

but what are electrolytes?

WeeboSupremo
6
4 days ago

It's what they use to make Brondo.

AbsolutelyNotTim
6
4 days ago

yeah it’s what plants crave

bibimbab111
14
4 days ago

It's loaded with electrolytes

Lance2020x
33
4 days ago

*slow clap*

Lampmonster
14
4 days ago

Maybe you're the smartest guy in the world.

Rubberbabybuggybum
252
4 days ago

I don't even want to know if this is fake or not. I can't take it anymore.

EDIT: God fucking dammit.

ayden010
289
4 days ago
rubsitinyourface
136
4 days ago

A lot of the replies are pretty funny though. I never look at his Twitter, does this guy just get roasted 24/7, then think "people fucking love me"?

sk8erdh36
44
4 days ago

Kinda. There are some tweets where it's mostly supporters. It really depends on the stupid shit he said that time.

randomnickname99
7
4 days ago

He probably has someone go through the tweets and pull out the nice replies to show him.

Rubberbabybuggybum
119
4 days ago

Fucking idiot.

Chazwozel
167
4 days ago

Must act quickly is the best part.

No shit, Donny. I think they were just standing around smoking cigarettes and eating croissants before you suggested it on Twitter...

Rubberbabybuggybum
138
4 days ago

In his defense, he is a fucking idiot.

space-throwaway
12
4 days ago

That's not a defense but a reason for the american people to drag him out of that White House, along with every Republican who shields him.

Rubberbabybuggybum
8
4 days ago

I my defense I never said it was a GOOD defense.

BrownSugarBare
92
4 days ago

This asswipe is giving France advice on what to do about a cathedral fire but has no goddamn clue about natural fires in his own goddamn country. What a little dickhead he is. Every goddamn day.

Rubberbabybuggybum
57
4 days ago

And 30% of America rubs themselves with his shit every day and say "look how triggered the libs are because they have to smell it."

Homo_erotic_toile
52
4 days ago

They should have raked the cathedral floor.

BrownSugarBare
11
4 days ago

Must have been all those paper towels they were stock piling for emergencies.

killer8424
15
4 days ago

He probably saw pictures of planes dumping water on wildfires and thought you could do the same with an 800 year old building. No concept or understanding of the power of water.

contecorsair
6
4 days ago

Water is heavy, it could cause even more damage if large loads were just dropped on it. It would be better to use that red powder flame retardant that they drop from helicopters. (I'm Californian so I've seen a lot of fires being put out in a variety of ways)

lpisme
20
4 days ago

The biggest embarrasment to the United States since...who the fuck knows. You're a grown ass man, stop playing the tweet game you dumb fuck.

I doubt you ever stepped foot in there or have any fucking clue what you're talking about most of the time. A shit ton is being lost right now -- flying water tankers? Really?

PiaJr
7
4 days ago

I agree with you. What u/farewelladress fails to understand is that the president speaks for the people. In this case, the people feel a more heartfelt and sincere response would be appropriate. The people feel "get some water" is neither of those things and do not convey how we, as Americans, stand with the French as they lose their most treasured cultural icon. And it is infuriating that our leader doesn't speak for us as well as we would like him to. Especially as compared to Obama, who said this, "Notre Dame is one of the world’s great treasures, and we’re thinking of the people of France in your time of grief. It’s in our nature to mourn when we see history lost – but it’s also in our nature to rebuild for tomorrow, as strong as we can."

mgodseydesign
7
4 days ago

Nice that the hunchback weighed in.

Strambo27
12
4 days ago

I actually originally downvoted because I thought it was just a dumb trump joke. Turns out it’s true...

vlasvilneous
55
4 days ago

Good for him, he understands what puts out fire now. So we can move on to what causes fire.

Bathes-In-Ramen
10
4 days ago

Need to rake more forests

jorisb
6
4 days ago

Immigrants, mainly.

mgt_a
39
4 days ago

Downvoted cuz called Trump a fucking moron, so editing with French civil security answer on why dropping water isn’t appropriate at all (moronic one could aggressively say) : https://twitter.com/SecCivileFrance/status/1117859662794113024?s=20

« Water drop by air on this type of building could lead to the collapse of the entire structure »

[deleted]
21
4 days ago

[removed]

justbangingaround
11
4 days ago

Should have raked more

ButtholePlunderer
15
4 days ago

Those flames look like some bad hombres

atxtonyc
6
4 days ago

Phew, good thing they're hanging out in France and we have a wall--the Atlantic Ocean--to keep fire hombres out.

zehalper
66
4 days ago

I don't think so, from the side, the flames are still visible.

Edit: At 8:52 pm, the flames seems to be picking up again.

TechyDad
54
4 days ago

Was just listening to a news broadcast and they said they've shifted operations to try to get as much artwork out as possible, but it's going to be difficult to impossible to save some stuff. Pretty much anything bolted down will be destroyed by the flames.

zehalper
33
4 days ago

They said just now that it's most likely the interior walls that are on fire now, hence why the flames have intensified.

marilyn_morose
20
4 days ago

I believe a lot of stuff was removed prior to the work. Hopefully some major pieces saved.

marilyn_morose
23
4 days ago

Possibly the rose windows, the bells... yikes, but the organ is probably a goner.

Palindromer101
25
4 days ago

Rose windows are likely beyond saving, but they are well documented and can be remade. The organ is more likely lost than not. Much of the larger statues and artwork will be nearly impossible to save.

MBAH2017
13
4 days ago

Shitty scaffolding is mostly metal.

pixl_graphix
7
4 days ago

Metal under extreme heat fails faster than wood when it reaches its ductile limit. The scaffolding was both built very well as it wasn't being supported by the church building, it is a self standing structure. Fire fighting operations currently are keeping it cool to prevent its collapse.

Ihateualll
26
4 days ago

The French government stated they couldn't use helicopters because the water would basically make the whole cathedral collapse.

justintime06
10
4 days ago

Why didn’t the architects from 1300 account for this?

overzeetop
7
4 days ago

But Donald Trump said it would work.

toadofsteel
9
4 days ago

This stream will survive many centuries in the future, long after nobody even remembers what Call of Duty is, and people will wonder what the stream of F in chat means...

shawngee03
6
4 days ago

thanks for the link t the live feed. not thanks to reading the running comments on the right of that page. stay away from the comments!

TooShiftyForYou
966
4 days ago

This is saddening in many ways, but remember that restoration is possible. Take for example the Reims Cathedral before and after WWI.

morphinapg
372
4 days ago

If they do that, it will simply be a different building than it was before

RobertAPetersen
386
4 days ago

The Cathedral of Theseus.

Gartlas
37
4 days ago

Grandfathers Cathedral

Churgroi
40
4 days ago

George Washington's Axe

Clark-Kent
25
4 days ago

Triggers Broom

gpouliot
141
4 days ago

It's wrong to think of Cathedrals as static buildings which were built ~800 years ago and never changed since then. First, the building process usually took 100+ years. Second, even when considered finished, they were constantly updated.

The only way it would truly be a different building is if the entire cathedral burnt to the ground and they bulldozed the ruins and started from scratch. That's unlikely.

KaladinRahl
7
4 days ago

That really depends on how you look at it. Continuity and identity are linked imo. Hence the other comment in this thread making a joke about it being the cathedral of theseus. Look up Theseus' boat on Google

jsosnicki
42
4 days ago

Cathedrals are living buildings, there’s no concept of original in religious architecture

MegadethFoy
37
4 days ago

And in 500 years they'll look on it in awe, and talk about the great fire of 2019, but it will just be a part of its story.

KnockKnockComeIn
5
4 days ago

Was everything in Notre Dame original? Have they not done restorations over the course of hundreds of years anyway?

The cells that make up your body have a limited life span and are replaced by new cells. Are you not the same person?

Notre Dame is not just the physical matter that makes it up. It’s the idea, the history, the cultural influence, engineering, that fucking hunchback dude, and so much more. This fire is just another piece of its legacy.

Ponchieoo
123
4 days ago

Its Notre Dame though, the most resonate symbol of France and Paris. Not to mention the artifacts and items inside that could be potentially lost. You can’t rebuild 800 years worth of artifacts, ornate precious stain glass, paintings and original architectural details with so much attachment to history. It will never be the same for Paris, for Notre Dame. On Easter week of all weeks. So sad.

stingray85
34
4 days ago

the most resonate symbol of France and Paris

The Eiffel Tower surely gets this title.

cptzanzibar
13
4 days ago

The Eiffel tower is certainly more iconic globally, but there is a deep historical argument to make for Notre Dame.

Firefly1307
6
4 days ago

For us Europeans it's both equally, the Notre Dame and the (much younger) Eiffel Tower.

ElmoKills22
27
4 days ago

There was another post that the relics, treasury and works of art made it out.

Casualbat007
542
4 days ago

They’ll absolutely rebuild it. There is literally no price too steep that would prevent the French from rebuilding it. They would bankrupt the country if that’s what it took.

InadequateUsername
217
4 days ago

In the 21st century anything can be rebuilt, it's all a matter of price, and I think a site like the cathedral is significant enough that there is no price too high.

Eternal_Reward
98
4 days ago

Its literally the most famous cathedral in the world, and perhaps the second most important landmark in France.

Tjw5083
10
4 days ago

St. Peter’s Basilica?

Eternal_Reward
24
4 days ago

Honestly, I would say Notre-Dame is more famous. Think of what the average person would say if asked about the most famous cathedral, or even what cathedrals they know about.

I would guess it'd be in the top three at the very least, and I would bet on most well know.

PillowDan
20
4 days ago

Heard that some of the stained glass was irreplaceable because the man who made it took the recipe for the hue to his grave.

InadequateUsername
16
4 days ago

Someone else mentioned that there aren't trees old enough to produce large enough lumber beams, but I'm not sure how true that is. Maybe the specific species, but I doubt a lack of lumber is the issue.

Amadacius
7
4 days ago

There are trees 20x the size of the spire. The question is whether we still think felling 2,000 year old trees is a good thing to do.

InadequateUsername
6
4 days ago

I was just expressing a nice sentiment, but couldn't something like spectrometry tell what it comprises of?

Edit: from my Wikipedia readings, the glass is a mixture of mid-evil glass and 19th century glass inserted during restoration. Nothing suggesting the hue can't be recreated.

tikirej
6
4 days ago

We know what Damascus steel is made of. We still can't reproduce it.

InadequateUsername
6
4 days ago

Specifically no, but we know how to create the pattern that is typically on Damascus blades, and modern alloys out perform it.

LittleSadRufus
22
4 days ago

York Minster took four years to rebuild after its fire, but it was nowhere so severe as this.

People are concerned about how to restore a perfect replica too - down to discussing the unique chemical composition of the lost glass - but really it's okay not to put it back just like it was, but instead to say something about our own time too through its restoration. That's the tradition of European restoration.

hacksoncode
17
4 days ago

They would bankrupt the country if that’s what it took.

So this is what they've been practicing for!!! :-)

GeraldBrennan
197
4 days ago

We refer to this as a "resume-generating event."

Pepperoni_Dogfart
8
4 days ago

What we are witnessing is the birth of a new French industry - a century of graft and corruption and double dipping and organized crime in association with the rebuilding of Notre Dame.

Every stonemason in France is going to be walking around with a permanent erection for a week.

genesteeler
38
4 days ago

i am a french stonemason and i do not have an erection. i am overwhelmed with pain seeing the loss of history and heritage. also, even if i would like to work on rebuilding it, i will never work in Paris. What a hell of a city. I would better die.

Sepples
37
4 days ago

This comment is so French I think it put a cigarette out on my cheek.

[deleted]
117
4 days ago

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DARTHCAST
88
4 days ago

Thats the crazy part is i garantee he will have so much grief he will contemplate suicide. I hope he gets help and he doesnt take it to hard. We are all only human.

[deleted]
17
4 days ago

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orisonofjmo
18
4 days ago

No, but they might over death threats, arson accusations, and PTSD.

EmeraldStickyNote
40
4 days ago

If this was an accident, then I feel nothing but sympathy and grief for the person or persons responsible. I cannot explain or rationalized this feeling. I should be furious.

wowurawesome
5
4 days ago

i agree completely, having this over your head would be rough. i hope if it can be pinned on someone specific they aren't publically named

mortelsson
45
4 days ago

I expect a thread on /r/tifu any minute now.

ThomasButtz
11
4 days ago

That's exactly what I thought. Angle Grinder next to old dry timber.

Source: been the guy frantically putting out a leaf fire from a coworker grinding.

thethirdllama
11
4 days ago

Given the time of day the fire started I'd bet it was due to equipment mistakenly being left on after the workers left.

HealthyBad
160
4 days ago

This isn't the same Notre Dame from 900 years ago. It's been rebuilt before, it will be rebuilt again. It's of course worth mourning the loss of beautiful work, but it's an opportunity for rebirth and a beautiful building will stand there again. Pretty solid Easter symbolism tbh

nu1stunna
17
4 days ago

I love your optimism. I'm devastated and I'm not a Christian. I just love Notre Dame.

RavenMute
12
4 days ago

The news coming out all references the timber roof as being from the 13th century, which means sometime in the 1200's.

That's 720+ years at least.

HealthyBad
8
4 days ago

Bits and pieces are 900 years old, some things are much more recent, the majority of it has been reinforced or modified or renovated. Even during today's fire it was under construction. Ship of Theseus type of situation.

My point is that the building is not a one-off structure. As a living building, it will constantly be deteriorating and renovating back and forth indefinitely. Today was just a rapid moment of damage that will lead to a rapid moment of renovation. The church of Notre Dame only really falls when no one has the will/care/resources to rebuild it. I don't think we're close to that day

microcline
9
4 days ago

Yea I’ll bet that will make Parisians feel better, “This is terrible but at least the symbolism is solid”

puyongechi
8
4 days ago

I am so sorry, my friend. I hope you can rebuild it and I hope the pain goes away soon!

SimplyTim90
153
4 days ago

Frollo was behind this

Jack_BE
118
4 days ago

HELLFIRE

Eleglas
42
4 days ago

Dark fire

askyourmom469
26
4 days ago

Now gypsy it's your turn

mistyskye14
15
4 days ago

Choose me or-

Akyeru
15
4 days ago

Your pyre

charlolwut
6
4 days ago

Be mine or you will BUUUUURRRRNNNNN

Ggegfegds
9
4 days ago

God have mercy on her

gypster85
11
4 days ago

God have mercy on me

BitmexOverloader
8
4 days ago

But she will be mine or...

SHE. WILL

BUUUUUUUUUUUUURN

vukov
22
4 days ago

We really don't need life to imitate Disney movies when it copies the tragic parts. This makes THoND harder to watch

Genoscythe_
22
4 days ago

The good news is, now we are not getting a live action Hunchback of Notre Dame remake.

Alfadum
149
4 days ago

Is it just me, or does it look beautiful, even in flames? Tragic, but beautiful. As though defiant in the face of its doom. Very French indeed.

R4IVER
16
4 days ago

I think the sheer rareness of the occasion makes it even more beautiful. If you put it that way: You can see a building stand for hundreds of years without changing significantly. But you can see it changing in a sad and tragic way, but you will see this mostly one time.

I hope they will rebuild it. I visited it as a child and it’s a very very beautiful building. A lot of people say it won’t be the same. This is true, but here in Germany there is the „Dresdner Frauenkirche“ which has been destroyed in WW2 and was rebuild. It has some new charm in it and well it isn’t the old but it’s now even more important in my opinion.

Sad day I hope as much as possible from the main building can be saved.

Fartou
6
4 days ago

I couldn't agree more, still beautiful.

I'm sad because I'm French and never could see it before, now it's too late.

Sinistre_lombric
117
4 days ago

The majority of French people don't believe in God but you can be sure they are grieving this cathedral

_Bay_Harbor_Butcher_
23
4 days ago

I live in the US and do not believe myself and this brought tears to my eyes. Sure it can be rebuilt but sooo much history just gone. Irreplaceable things that have survives so long only to be lost like this. Its heartbreaking. I spend a fair amount of time in nice big catholic churches for a non believer and I really appreciate the architecture and all of the hand painted stuff inside. Its all so grand.

Frugalfoodie
5
4 days ago

I’m tearing up over the news and I’m not religious at all.

It’s a beautiful building that means a lot to many people and to see the damage that is being done to it is heartbreaking.

parkinsonsgrampa
64
4 days ago

I thought this was a photoshop prank at first. Devastating.

Howdy08
6
4 days ago

When my dad texted me about this I wanted to believe it was some terrible prank even after seeing live video of it.

shylocxs
58
4 days ago

As an art historian, a lover of the city of Paris, and someone who fell in love with Notre Dame the first time I visited in 1988 as a young undergraduate student… I'm just devastated.

H_G_Bells
56
4 days ago

Tabernak

PforPanchetta511
49
4 days ago

They don't say tabarnac in France.

H_G_Bells
49
4 days ago

TIL! I'm Canadian, I guess it's a French-Canadian swear? In any case, it was meant in solidarity :(

whatev3691
36
4 days ago

yes, it is specifically a French-Canadian saying. Merde would probably be more appropriate

foreheadteeth
19
4 days ago

Tabernacle is a proper French word (it means the exact same thing as in English) but it's only a swear word in Québec.

8bitDoll
11
4 days ago

as a proper person from quebec we say tabarnak, not tabernacle or tabernak. French use merde or putain.

foreheadteeth
6
4 days ago

I'm from Québec but I don't know if I'm a proper person

KI5CTG
54
4 days ago

I'm not religious but this is a loss to all people, my heart goes out to catholics, Paris, and the people of earth. May they save all the artwork that they can. it may take years, decades but we will rebuild.

TheCarpe
28
4 days ago

You don't have to be religious to mourn the loss of history, artwork, and culture. Religious or not, the building was irreplaceable and priceless.

Ihateualll
9
4 days ago

Agreed, I'm an atheist but this is really hitting me hard. It was always on my bucket list simply because it's one of the wonders of the world. I guess that's not gonna happen now 😔

madevilfish
40
4 days ago

This is so sad, so much history is being lost. This thing is almost a 1,000 years old in some places.

derelict88
39
4 days ago

Can't have anything nice

imnoreallyhere
11
4 days ago

They can rebuild it.

thx1138-
29
4 days ago

We have the technology

Chainon
8
4 days ago

The super sad thing is that we actually don’t. A lot of the interior, the wooden frames and the stained glass were done by master craftsmen of their time, often using specific family-held tools and techniques. Most of those skills simply aren’t practiced anymore.

GeraldBrennan
5
4 days ago

Gaaa! You with your facts and knowledge and such. Just shut up and let us reference The Six Million Dollar Man in peace :-(

ButtersHound
34
4 days ago

Cersei Fucking Lannister at it again...

GingerWez93
4
4 days ago

They found the person responsible? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else!

HighlyIndecisive
44
4 days ago

I was there, what we heard on the scene was that one of the lifts had caught fire.

SoInsightful
29
4 days ago

Sounds plausible.

I'll be damned if a random redditor confirms something like this long before any international news outlet does.

EndlessArt
4
4 days ago

I want to be in the screenshot.

HighlyIndecisive
9
4 days ago
NthBrick
4
4 days ago

Social media absolutely has downsides, but a major upside is being able to see what's happening anywhere in the world from ordinary people who are actually there.

snoboreddotcom
6
4 days ago

Honestly, working in construction my bet is someone threw a cigarette butt in the wrong place

alluring-me
32
4 days ago

How??? 😟

broccoli_vodka
130
4 days ago

Fire

Chailindra
15
4 days ago

Possibly due to construction works, but that's guesswork atm. Could just as well be a discarded cigarette butt, or faulty electrics.

whatev3691
9
4 days ago

knowing Parisians...cigarette butt seems likely

Samekiichii
34
4 days ago

Left shitty comment earlier making a joke, came to apologize. Honestly I hope the chapel is going to be properly repaired after this and the relics make it out safely.

Raven_Crows
30
4 days ago

https://imgur.com/gallery/3UJcmrS This was taken moments after.

joker_with_a_g
8
4 days ago

I was shedding a tear, and this made me laugh like a hyena.

Thank you.

-jjjjjjjjjj-
26
4 days ago

I can't think of a worse discrete tragedy that didn't involve the loss of life.

Shammyeatssix
26
4 days ago

Tragic event, but this image is beyond gorgeous.

ollyollyollyoioioi
12
4 days ago

I hope you don't get downvoted too much. I like juxtapositions and can see where you're coming from

Shammyeatssix
8
4 days ago

Yeah that's what I was getting at. It's like a distraught beauty. Like, "Guernica".

Stereotypy
27
4 days ago

yeah, that hurts to see.

Analytical_Chemist
23
4 days ago

This actually is a travesty... Human history just got a little bit darker...

Darthorbion
23
4 days ago

I was hoping to visit this some day 😢

JasonJubal
13
4 days ago

You can visit with a picture of it. And then hold up the picture where it once stood and take a picture of the picture and get so much sweet, sweet karma for your artistic picture.

LouGabe
3
4 days ago

You'll be able to, just wait a few years. I'm French and I can tell you nothing will prevent our government and the many patrimonial / historical associations as well as the Church to rebuild this masterpiece. I do not consider myself a "true" patriot but this is the most symbolic building for us right after the Tour Effeil, maybe even more.

mdr-fqr87
26
4 days ago

Can someone grab the 24h timelapse off this webcam site?

At exactly 19:27, there is one QUICK frame you can pinpoint the location of the fire as it reaches the roof.

https://www.webcams.travel/webcam/fullscreen/1363351442

czechhoneybee
19
4 days ago

Really hope no one is hurt and that there is no lasting damage.

Edit: was hoping the fire could be contained/slowed. Looks like that is not going to be the case. Absolutely devastating.

Adorable_Scallion
23
4 days ago

the spire and roof collapsed and now the inside frame of the building is on fire, its most likely a total loss

LaMalintzin
10
4 days ago

Holy shit

Edit: I wasn’t making a joke with the “holy” thing, I just hadn’t seen this and reacted without thinking. Sorry for useless comment, I really just was shocked because I hadn’t seen the news.

down_vote_magnet
22
4 days ago

no lasting damage

Uh... bad news... it’s on fire.

ExistentialTalos
18
4 days ago

This is just so incredibly sad to me.

It was nearly 900 years old, just think of the history that it saw - it saw the beginning of the Third Crusade, the coronation of Henry VI and Napoleon. It saw the beginning and the end of two world wars, and held so many priceless artefacts. It's walls have seen more history than any one of us could ever hope to witness over multiple lifetimes.

I know I'm getting upset over a building. But it was more than that - it was an icon and cherished by so many people. I know that they could possibly rebuild it - but it will never match the beauty and intricacy of the original.

WolfsLairAbyss
19
4 days ago

Has Varg been spotted in Paris lately?

red_beered
5
4 days ago

He does live in france, but this is too big league for him now. Not sure how he could get away with all the armor on.

0fficerNasty
18
4 days ago

Someone did something.

ebeauche
16
4 days ago

I hope the hunchback made it out safely.

SRNae
7
4 days ago

It was his freebasing that started this whole mess!

Urtica-Dioica
16
4 days ago

The timing is suspicious, and it is a bit early to blame the renovation people.

Urtica-Dioica
7
4 days ago

Nothing should be ruled out.

lickedTators
21
4 days ago

it is a bit early to blame the renovation people.

Too early to blame the obvious cause, but not too early to blame it on something that confirms my priors.

vladTepes14
16
4 days ago

There have been a lot of attacks on churches lately, including fires and shootings. The was one at the biggest church in Canada where someone of a certain peaceful religion attempted to murder the priest.

autismo_the_magician
7
4 days ago

Just like the other guy of a peaceful religion shot up a mosque?

Dark_Jedi1432
5
4 days ago

Every religion preaches peace, while holding a sword in the other hand. There have also been a lot of attacks from both sides. But people are so quick to assume it was arson, as well as to blame people. It could be an accident.

dongsuvious
6
4 days ago

Ryan

jetskionawaterslide
14
4 days ago

My art history teacher was literally crying in class when she told us about the fire. It was super sad but also really inspiring how passionate she is about art.

ManStacheAlt
15
4 days ago

This is the greatest tragedy in at least the last 100 years that did not involve loss of life. Incredibly sad. Hopefully it wasn't done maliciously.

OneWayStreetPark
14
4 days ago

HBO is really stepping up their Game of Thrones promo.

MaxibourritosOrElias
9
4 days ago

It's horrible. We will lost 700+ years history of France.

thenixnerd
9
4 days ago

What the fuck? Seriously?!

Edit: Damn. Sad day. History literally being erased before our eyes.

igiveup9707
10
4 days ago

😢 it so sad to see ancient architecture go up in flames

Snappylobster
9
4 days ago

The USA might make fun of you guys but it’s just like a brother teases his sibling. We love you guys and I’m really sorry about what happened. Sending good thoughts to our French brothers and sisters

Radljost
7
4 days ago

The end of Macron's speech was powerful. "We will rebuild Notre Dame. It is what our history deserves. We will call upon the most talented people to help us rebuild. I make this commitment."

NightOfTheLivingHam
8
4 days ago

Yellow vests will be blamed for this in coming days, our media commentators on live streams are already making insinuations. The french government will use this to shut those protests down.

NotFlappy12
10
4 days ago

Candle wax can't melt stone beams

Victoria_Kool
7
4 days ago

Oh no! I’m so sorry, France. What a monumental loss 😔

Prpl_panda_dog
7
4 days ago

Regardless of religion, I think everyone can appreciate the magnitude of this situation and feel the loss of the history that took place in this building. I’m personally agnostic (please sweet Jesus do NOT grill me for my religious views, I don’t judge you for believing in religion, don’t judge me for not.) but I still feel the loss of something like this. It’s terrible, and I hope that what can be recovered is recovered because that’s just such a shame to see all of that go up in flames in an instant.

Condolences to the French, to the Christians, and to those who found magnificence in the sheer art of this building.

Best wishes and good health to those involved in resolving this situation as well.

OhioMegi
7
4 days ago

So sad. I’m an atheist but man, what history, artistry and plain old humanity in one building. It’s a beautiful place and I hope it can be saved (as much as possible).

S_M_Y_G_F
6
4 days ago

Oh no!

beg_yer_pardon
5
4 days ago

Call me naive, but I'd hoped that in the 21st century, with stringent fire safety norms and fire brigades, this sort of extensive destruction and loss by fire would have become a thing of the past. If I'm not wrong, wasn't there a similar incident at a natural history museum in Brazil?

ejhickey
5
4 days ago

A dark day for Paris ,for France and for the world.

Cheeseand0nions
8
4 days ago

This is horrible.

I really hope investigation does not reveal that this is terrorism.

TheMaroonNeck
11
4 days ago

There has been a lot of hate and destruction of Catholic Churches as of late

Mike501
8
4 days ago

It’s terrorism. But will be spun by the media as an unfortunate “accident” because you cannot say anything bad about minorities in this age.

RafeStone
5
4 days ago

I found this really upsetting today. I’m not at all religious but it was a beautiful building. I remember visiting it when I was younger. Such a shame.

Hibernia624
6
4 days ago

I love all the people ignoring the historical and artistical value of this amazing building to criticize christianity.

Im not even religious. In fact i find Christianity really hypocritical, but people celebrating this are either 14 years old and immature, or just plain assholes.

This building has been around for over 800 years. Its effected so many lives in so many different ways. Its been around through all the wars and struggles we reference everyday.

And its being turned into a fucking joke by immature edgelords.

Bot_number_1605
6
4 days ago

I was going to make a joke but then I remembered this is actually very serious.

simlew86
5
4 days ago

This is heartbreaking. It’s such a beautiful building.

ABAC0
6
4 days ago

Quasimodo had about enough of this shit.

MissLera
5
4 days ago

This is just heartbreaking 😔😢💔

goldars_boner
4
4 days ago

Thursday “Paris in Flames”

Tommyaka
5
4 days ago

I was literally planning to go there tomorrow... Just my luck.

UnarmedRobonaut
5
4 days ago

Imagine being that guy who set the Notre-Dame on fire...

AA-bipolar
6
4 days ago

The French people have endured a lot over the centuries. They can rebuild it, and hopefully rally around its reconstruction.

Zafriti
7
4 days ago

This is symbolic of the things to come.

LittleRedditAddict
7
4 days ago

Been coming*

frissonic
6
4 days ago

The loss of history in this singular event is staggering. This building survived wars and revolutions ... yet today it burns to ash. I'm just gutted for the loss--not just for Catholics, but for cultural enthusiasts, history buffs, and anyone with a sense learning a new culture. I wish I had spent my layover in Paris rather than London ... I had a chance to spend 24 hours in Paris a couple of years ago, and I chose London instead.

Just so sad ...

instrubeat
6
4 days ago

honk

Necrodancer123
9
4 days ago

🤡🌎

Pr0Lirker
6
4 days ago

This is my hood: born in Paris, living in Paris.

I've always thought that everything would be fine as long as Notre-Dame was fine.

Today is not fine.

I find myself crying in anger and powerlessness.

How could we let that happen?

Today is not fine.

silverX11
4
4 days ago

One of the pictures I took Oct 2018, similar angle 💔

http://imgur.com/a/h0XtRrf

TheLogicalCow
4
4 days ago

Really is a shame, if you have the money to travel and see things go ahead and do so. Traveling and seeing the world can be really relaxing and fun! Plus who knows if you will ever be able to see something again, this could have been worse and unretrievable.

lappellation
5
4 days ago

Hey Reddit guys, I'm French so I feel I can have my say here. It is very, if not extremely, devastating to see such an iconic monument burning into flames, it will take time but they will rebuild it. For what is lost or is lost, but like some of you have said, it is not the first one or the last one, no matter what, this kind of building are under built and maintenance all the time so I guess there is not much that actually date from the actual beginning. Tabernacle is not an insult, it is just the central of the church where the priest give the Eucharist. Once they figure out what is the cause of the fire (insurances will argue for a while, no need to speculate here, they will do the investigation and give report on their findings) then the rebuild work will start, no doubt, altogether, that will take a long while before it reopen to public. This a huge building as some of you know. To be fully honest with you, I hope and believe nobody has been injured or killed... That is the main thing isn't it?