A ruptured ear drum is literally the worst pain I've ever been in. I needed antibiotics and every morning and night I had to put this shit in my ear, let it sit, then turn over and drain it out.
I feel so fucking bad for this kid. The pain she's gotta be in while her mom is fucking around with essential oils
I had one rupture as a young kid. Too young to really remember but my parents tell me I woke them up with a blood curdling scream and that I couldn't be consoled because the pain was so bad. I was immediately rushed to hospital to receive treatment. I can't imagine what this poor child is going through 😢
You ruptured an ear drum while in bed? What was your nursery rhyme? Slayer?
Usually it happens because of ear infections.
Great. Can happen at literally any time
My right ear blew out from an infection a couple months ago, the next time I start to get ear pressure I'm getting some antibiotics before it gets bad. Not going through that again if I can help it, my sense of balance was trash for almost a month.
My right eardrum ruptured from pressure build-up around Christmas a couple of years ago. Needless to say, not in my top 10 Christmases.
So do you go deaf in that ear after that and if so does it heal? Or is it just balance that is screwy till it heals properly?
What is it that bursts is it the infection or the drum itself?
Its the ear drum itself that bursts, yes. The infection is what causes the pressure great enough to make the ear blow out.
For me, I felt a pop then a rushing sound in my ear, followed by 15 minutes of the worst vertigo, weakness and shivering cold sweats I've ever felt, I could barely summon the strength to drag myself to the bathroom to throw up. The next three days were bad ear pain and and not being able to stand up without a hand on the wall, constant dizzyness and nausea. After a week my balance was still shit, but I was sleeping better and wasnt in too much discomfort or pain, still deaf in that ear. A month later hearing was back to 90% along with balance, though both of those things have never gotten back fully unfortunately, when I sneeze I tend to lose my balance, and my hearing in the right side is noticably worse.
Thankyou for the detailed personal account. This is exactly what I wanted.
You are welcome, hope it never happens to you
Did you go to the doctor at any point in this/were you prescribed anything?
Yeah, after my ear popped, was in no state to drive so I got a lyft
Oh man this sounds awful. I hope with time things go back to normal for you.
Thanks, very interesting. It seems it isn't always that the drum splits. But it is interesting to see that it can heal in some circumstances.
Yeah it just a bit of skin really, it grows back pretty quick.
Same, but I had to get ear surgeries and have got a prosthetic ear bone because of it.
I had multiple ruptured eardrums and multiple surgeries to get tubes put in as a child.
Now? It's really just a memory. My hearing isn't perfect, but I'd say average or above. Sometimes I have minor issues with air travel, but who doesn't?
Oh me too.
Maybe like 7 broken eardrums as a kid.
Tubes and everything.. I would bleed out of them sometimes. I had surgery and they took some skin from behind my right ear and turned it into an eardrum.
I luckily grew out of my ear problems. I'm 37 and I can't do an underwater somersault, I don't like splashing on waterslides, airplanes hurt, but my regular day to day is great.
I definitely don't wish that pain on anyone.
My questions exactly. Was hoping to find someone who asked them. Thank you.
Happened to me about a month ago. I didn’t even have time to get antibiotics. Woke up at 4:30am to an intense pain in my ear. By far the worst ear pain I’ve ever felt. It got worse and worse until my ear drum ruptured and bled. Then it still hurt a lot. This was on a Sunday. I wasn’t able to get antibiotics until the Tuesday. By Monday it hurt less but was leaking infection water and pus. Not. Fun.
Yeah it was over 24 hours before I got the antibiotics, that sucked hard. I also went through a whole box of tissues to keep up with the drainage from the ear, which sucked only slightly less
What anti biotics? And what does it feel like “before it gets bad” cause when I hiccup in my mouth my left ear gets all weird and pressury
You know that feeling you get on an airplane, a pressure in your ear you have to swallow or yawn to get rid of with a pop? It feels like that but constantly, and doing either of those things doesnt help. The ear infection causes swelling in parts of the ear which prevent the pressure from equalizing, which is what causes the pain
Omg my ear has been doing this on and off for a month now and you have given me Great Fear that I’m in for a ruptured eardrum
Go to the doctor!
Hey! Chick with chronic ear and throat infections chiming in here. Ciprodex perscription ear drops have been a lifesaver!! Don’t fuck around. I lose my voice and hearing a few times a year and it makes my life hell.
Oof, sounds tough. I used to get them all the time as a kid, but have been safe for years and years. That one came out of the blue
The vast majority of ear infections are viral, just so you’re aware.
I had chronic ear infections for 30 years. Two years ago I got a new doctor and she asked ne about them. After telling her my history she asked if I was on allergy medicine. I said no because I don't have problems with allergies. She told me my ear infections are probably caused by a drainage issue and the likely cause was from allergies that aren't hitting me where people normally get them and to try an allergy medication every night before I go to bed. I haven't had an ear infection in two years since I started taking a nightly antihistamine. It also has the added benefit of knocking my ass out every night. No more laying awake in bed for me.
Only if you are of weak rectum muscles
Infections caused by putting, idk, unsanitary oils in the ear?
I understand that ,depending on the oil it might had just been a normal reaction with the oil no infection required.
I had the first ear infection in my life just last week. I’m also a medical student. The pain just kept getting worse and worse and I could visualise the fluid just sat there pushing on my ear drum.
I seriously considered perforating it myself with a Q tip or something. Which I’d never recommend to a patient, but it was really agonising.
I got a couple of ours of fitful sleep and I woke up with less to no pain and conductive hearing loss in that ear (things kind sound like they’re under water on that side), so I assume it ruptured itself in my sleep.
It’s not the rupture ear drum which hurts so much, it’s the before.
How it happened when I was younger. I have allergies and sinus issues... All it took was a trip to the beach and a week during springtime
I still remember the awful little vacuum they stuck in my ear to drain the fluid from the infection. Great, attentive parents - just happens sometimes
Pantera. WHAT DID YOU SAY!?
Walk on home, boy...
Before this comment, I thought we were doing jokes about hearing loss.
They were. It's classic double pun goodness.
I sing my kids Hammer Smashed Face every night before bed but they say they're still having nightmares
Gotta dress up as Ace Ventura to lighten the mood.
When I was 8, we were learning our multiplication tables in school. At the end of the semester, there would be an ice cream party and the toppings you got on your sundae were based on how high you could multiply, up to 12. The 8s were really difficult for me, but I memorized my multiplication tables.
I was stoked for my fully loaded ice cream sundae.
As we were getting ready to head to the cafeteria, my ear drum burst. I was rushed to the nurse and then to the hospital.
It was incredibly painful. I was used to the pain associated with ear infections, but this was so much worse. They douched my ear with warm water. It actually felt nice.
I never got my ice cream sundae, and I've hated ice cream ever since.
When I ruptured my ear drum, around age 7, I asked to stay home from Christmas and said it was ok if the relatives returned all my presents.
All of my kids are prone to ear infections, as I was. My youngest though was such a happy kid and his ear infections were mostly asymptomatic so when he ruptured his ear drum we didn't realize he'd had an ear infection until the bloody goop came out of his ear. I told the doctor he'd started to get a little grumpy a few hours before that. The next time it happened the same thing, he started getting a little grouchy and I saw a bit of gunk in his ear so I called the Dr office and by the time we got in it had ruptured. He's healed well with antibiotics and is past the stage they get them now
I had very bad ear infections literally the first six years of my life. I can remember the bulb syringe/aspirator my mom had to use to collect fluids. I also recall drops being used. Very not fun, but she did everything right. I wound up with two ruptured eardrums, and had ear surgery when I was 14. I can't imagine how horrific this is, it hurts my heart.
I, too, had the 6-year ear infection. I still get at least 2 annually; I’m on an antibiotic ear drop at this very moment. My ears are so messed up that the multiple eardrum blowouts and tube surgeries have resulted in eardrum scarring and significant hearing loss. Shit like this makes me say “For the love of God, someone needs to take this poor child to an ENT and charge this “parent” with medical neglect.”
The surgery was basically just a skin graft on the worse of the two eardrums... It significantly improved my hearing, but there are still pitches and bass lines and frequencies that straight up hurt, I'm sure you have some as well. I get crazy wax buildup a lot still, and the occasional ear pain... And the scar tissue from the surgery built up into a cyst-like lump over the following 8 years... I can't imagine still having ear infections! As much as I hate going to ear doctors, I'd go in a heartbeat if I needed to!
Similar stuff here. Are there certain sounds that you can feel in your ear? When the wall clock at my parents' house chimes the hour I feel it like a knock in my eardrum. Same thing for certain car alarms. It's not painful, just annoying.
Yessss! Deep bass from tricked out cars, I can feel those sounds. I haven't had much chance to be around those kinds of clocks, though. When I was young, fireworks were always rough too
Ha that's awesome. Until recently I had no idea this was a result of my infections/surgeries. I mentioned the feeling to my boyfriend who looked at me like I was crazy. "You're saying you can feel noises?"
Until this thread I don't think I was aware that other people couldn't. The more you know I guess.
Hahaha... I've had that conversation before. One ex had an intense stereo system in his car.... He would adjust it when he drove me around at least...
But yeah, crazy how ears can pick up vibrations. I can literally feel my inner ear pulse sometimes. If I have a cold it just gets expounded
I had no idea til now it wasnt normal.....
I had a tympanoplasty twice in my right ear, and both times ended up rupturing again. So now I just have a hole.
I had a lot of problems with my ears and related things when I was a kid. Thirty years later I still remember how much it hurt even with hospital treatment and antibiotics. I can't imagine how a parent could fuck around with oils and nonsense in that situation.
My mom said when she was young, they would heat up olive oil and treat ear infections that way... clearly this did not work
It isn’t used to treat the infection. The warm olive oil can provide some pain relief. Very similar to using steam or a heating pad.
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I can't even use eye drops without a lot of effort, I can't imagine oil
Funny thing is the cure is crystals if you have earwax buildup
And weirdly the cure is earwax if you have a crystal buildup.
And strangely the cure is ear if you have crystalwax buildup.
And remarkably the ear is weird if you have cure buildup.
It is the beeswax melted that people think is drawn out beewax.
It is the beeswax melted that people think is drawn out beewax.
But that's exactly what it is!
Sorry I meant they think the beeswax is earwax!
So the handcrafted earwax candles I made after my candling party are really beeswax?? I feel so betrayed.
Thank you! Now how do i get it out?
They melt and leak out. I had earwax buildup
NO you dump Essential Oils on your nipples to stop the ruptured Ear
If you actually need your ears cleaned (99% of the time people don’t) go to your doctor and they have a special machine that shoots water into your ear and it blasts the wax out. As far as I know there are no other safe methods
Meh not really true. Vinegar (acetic acid) will burn if it goes through the tube but very unlikely to be toxic or damage hearing. Source: I’m an ENT
This sounds more reasonable. But I did enjoy the fire and brimstone of the preceding post. Perhaps we can agree that everyone involved will die a horrible death...but just not from essential oils? Like, the deaf kid won't hear the train coming and the mom will get run over trying to save him. I feel like you can both be right and I'll still be able to get unnecessarily upset. Which is why I come here.
Let us hope she takes the child to a doctor,so they can rip into her. As well as helping and relieving the child.
She's probably too afraid totake her kid to the doctor because she is also an antivaxxer. Lol.
I'm not saying she is an antivaxxer but it would not be a surprise. -.-
I want to see the look in her eyes as it dawns on her
I want to see the look in her eyes as it dawns on her
Aren't you the optimist
Look, the mother is not blameless. There are plenty of resources she could have checked before she just started pouring shit in her kid’s ear. If someone put her up to it, they are equally to blame not entirely to blame.
See, I think the mother has 100% more responsibility than whoever sold her the stupid oils. Yes, the sellers suck and should go to jail but a parent is the one responsible to research and ask doctors what’s best for their kids.
There will always be some idiot selling crap and lying about it.
But yes, bring on the quartering all around
It's not sulphuric acid she's putting in the ear. Acetic acid may cause some sores but it's not going to dissolve anything. We all think essential oils are bs, but there's no need to make up nonsense about how it dissolves the ligament tissue or claim that the child will be deaf.
And it's pretty ridiculous to absolve the mother of blame when she's the only one who chose to put oil in her child's ear.
What are you on about? For one, vinegar isn't in essential oils. Two, vinegar isn't going to dissolve your ear tissue. I know, because I use it all the time when I have to irrigate mine (make my own swimmers ear with vinegar and alcohol because I never remember to buy it)
My left ear drum has ruptured twice, once when I was 12, once when I was 30 (both due to ear infections I had hoped would go away on their own.) The pain for days, followed by the pterodactyl screech in my head as it started to break, were unlike anything else I’ve ever experienced.
On a scale 1-10 what was it
I’m not the commentor above but I’d put it at like 8 maybe? I went to bed with some uncomfortable pressure in my ear. It woke me up in the middle of the night, and I remember writhing and squirming in pain until I finally heard a cracking sound and all the pain disappeared instantly.
The pain disappeared when the war drum popped? I thought it’d be the worst then
Didn’t feel the rupture; I only felt the pressure. I don’t know if this is common, but yeah as soon as the rupture released the pressure I was back at 100%. Still went to the doctor though.
Damn that’s interesting, I’m just thankful I’ve never experienced that lol.
Me too. Feeling the rupture in my case was more hearing the screech / cellophane kind of cracklings noise, tons of pressure and then sweeeet release. Gross, but yeah, this. I also saw an ENT doctor afterward both times it happened to me.
Same I was in a blast in combat, broken clavicle and burns were totally eclipsed by the pain of the eardrum. Maxed on opioids.
Same. First time I smoked weed in an effort to kill the pain. Felt like a pencil being shoved in there.
Better a pencil than a sword
Wait..."stop it from happening"? How do you anticipate a ruptured ear drum?
What actually happened?
You can’t really ‘anticipate’ in all cases. Obvious ones like sudden extreme noise (a bomb) or trauma aren’t predictable. It’s likely with otitis media (middle ear infection), if the pain is just getting worse and worse But even then, it may rupture, it may not. Often the rupture itself is associated with a sudden relief of the pain (the pressure is released) and I personally found it a saving grace when it happened to me.
Also the story above isn’t that horrendous of the ones we usually get here. Olive oil isn’t harmful to ears (if the eardrum isn’t ruptured) and is often used to soften earwax. She’s done the right thing by stopping then. Similarly she could have gone to the doctor, but here in the UK they rarely give you antibiotics unless you have severe symptoms (high fever) or other complications, or it isn’t resolving. Most cases of otitis media resolve themselves in 3 days, so it may look like the antibiotics did something or you could have just cleared it naturally.
Similarly most cases are viral in nature (a URTI spreading up the Eustachian tubes), or at least mixed infections. Rarely solely bacterial so again antibiotics are of dubious benefit.
Her main problem seems to be asking for medical advice on facebook.
I ruptured my eardrum once as a child, like 8 ish, a family friend was asking if she could try help me. Obviously I said yes because I was in pain. She tried helping me with "crystal therapy" which involved tying a crystal to string and waving it around my head. Needless to say it did fuck all.
Well obviously you were doing it wrong. You're supposed to grab the string and use it to smack your friend in the head with the magic crystal.
At what point do people start to face jail time for child abuse/endangerment?
Not soon enough
Remember Reddit: friends don’t let friends harm the lives of their children. If your friends think oils will cure them, throw out the whole friend.
...and through your absence let them harm the lives of their children?
I was unclear, don't get rid of them as a friend, get rid of the person.
What essential oils do I use to rid myself of unwanted person?
If you take tomato plants and boil the leafs into a concentration you’ll have hemlock nightshade. Which would be a natural oil.
edit: it's not actually dangerous, but it's a funny thing to know about tomatoes.
BRB, off to convince my high school classmates to sell this for me!
On it Dexter!
They clearly don’t need the absence to harm the lives of their children, considering they’re doing it already.
Right, I was just pointing out his "friends don't let friends" bit, which I took to mean intervene in the lives of your friends, not cut them out completely, which does no good for the children. Sure it cuts out stupidity in your life, but if the point of this thread is about helping children...
At what point do we just ban the sale of essential oils?
People use use them as scents, not as medicine.
People should use them as scents, not as medicine
And they can be useful for home remedies, like sunburns.
That’s the key word, small. It can’t cure a fever or epilepsy or allergies. Don’t pour essential oils in spots where you wouldn’t pour other foreign liquids.
AKA don’t pour honey and garlic into someone’s ear.
Edit: when I say essential oils I don’t mean the manufactured stuff, I mean stuff like aloe. Sorry if I said it wrong lol, you guys took my example of aloe being used WAY too seriously
Edit 2 (electric boogaloo): yeah my one mistake in not exemplifying that I meant aloe and not just any old essential oil is biting me in the butt plz forgive me
And they can be useful for home remedies, like sunburns.
Wow, no never do that. The oil will prevent the skin to cool via water evaporation and will worsen the sunburn.
Correct. Aloe can be used on sunburns. I would never put an oil or anything similar on a sunburn.
Witch hazel is great for reducing the pain of a sunburn, however.
Witch hazel is also great for hemorrhoids and for your bajingo after childbirth.
Also for razor burn!
My wife made these things with witch hazel and put them in the freezer for that. We called them pussy pops.
Main ingredient in proactive. I use it to scrub my face, neck and booty, though the scent is reminiscent of plain, freezer isle ravioli.
Aloe and Witch Hazel are both "natural remedies" for sunburn, why can't people just be happy with those.
Lavender oil actually works really well on burns for some reason. It is very soothing and prevents blistering. I am pretty clumsy and prone to burning myself in the kitchen and lavender works better than any other remedy I’ve used, and they never blister, even the really bad ones.
I don’t think I would slather a sunburn in lavender, but I do have and aloe burn spray that contains lavender and it’s great
Pretty sure the aloe is what’s soothing the burn.
That lavender is just for scent, it's the aloe doing the work
Shit. Does anyone know how to get honey and garlic out of ears? Asking for a #bossbabe
lavender oil, hun.. duh.
Now I've seen this come up on Reddit a couple of times recently that lavender oil is widely accepted as a treatment for burns. So I thought I'd check it out. "Do my research". I gotta say, it sounds like a wind up. The only sights I can Find that support this theory have dubious pseudo healthy sciencey names.
I remember seeing something previously that any oil on a burn traps the heat and continues to cook it, making the burn worse. But couldn't find anything directly on that. I searched specifically on the UK NHS website, for something either way. And it doesn't mention essential oils at all, but it does mention aloe Vera.
So I asked my wife, who being Irish and liking the sea is knowledgeable about suncare and after suncare. Her direct response was, "don't be a fucking idiot. It's oil, that's like basting a chicken." I must say, I found her arguement compelling and concise.
Some people are saying in this post that apparently some lavender oil has some aloe in it which doesn't really make it any better. Just use aloe.
Well yeah, we have after sun gel. It's aloe in a gel. Works great. But I was curious about whether I was being gaslighted about lavender oil, or if it is generally accepted as a remedy. My conclusion is gaslighting.
My conclusion is gaslighting.
My conclusion is gaslighting.
Agreed. The most compelling things I've ever seen about essential oils is that they smell nice and can be harmful to pets if diffused into the air.
Pretty much everything can harm pets diffused in the air though. Hell if you have birds you have to invest in a certain type of cookwear
Don't out any sort of oil on a burn, it doesn't allow air to get into the wound.
I use tea tree oil to clear up dandruff. A few drops in my shampoo, because essential oils need a carrier, and I'm clear.
So, do you put a few drops in the shampoo bottle or a few drops in the shampoo in your hand? Asking for me - ive been using sulfate free shampoo for years (and i just upgraded to salon grade stuff cause i got highlights) and its not getting rid of my dandruff.
Also, does it fuck with the smell? I like the smell of TTO, but i dont think it would mix well with the smell of my current product.
I squeeze a few drops (6-10, I have a lot of hair) into the shampoo in my hand. I try to get as much massages into my scalp as possible. I saw a difference after the first wash, and I've been very happy with the subsequent results! I hope it helps you too.
I don't really notice the smell after my hair dries either.
Not all heros wear capes, my friend. Thank you!!
AKA don’t pour honey and garlic into someone’s ear.
There's some thick people out there that could probably be convinced otherwise. Especially when one thick cunt tells another thick cunt something ridiculous they saw online and neither have enough braincells to rub together to effectively consult a doctor without having a fucking brain anuerism. I remember the old saying not to believe everything you see on tv. It's amazing the same generation can just blindly believe the post their mutual friend Karen puts up about essential oils curing cancer and ear ache instead of thinking hold on this is a marketing gimmick. Fuck well its not on tv it must be true. Thanks for the super secret info that thousands of scientists are hiding from the world Karen aren't we a cool bunch of super moms that know everything! "Being a mom is the hardest job in the world!" No its not just don't pour foreign shit in your childs ear you fucking mongo she somehow made it to 15 years old before you got bored and ended up in super mom self worshipping Facebook groups trying to push essential oils as a cure all super secret.
(insert pikachu :O face)
No. Never put oil on a burn. That’s terrible advice.
Hell no, don't ever do that. Who the hell told you to do that?
Exactly what I think
Yeah, no. Putting any type of oil on a burn is a huge no-no...
Epsom salt baths are pretty amazing for sunburn but that's obvious noticeable help like the day of but not if your cooked to a crisp your dumbass is gonna hurt for awhile
I used to do mobile head lice removal and I used various essential oils in the mixture I made to aid in the removal; tea tree, peppermint, lavender spike etc. Just a few drops made my mixture potent as all heck, but it worked. They're definitely useful for things, but these crunchy idiots just do the most insane shit with them 🙄
No, they do not help with sunburns. You never put oil on a sunburn.
That’s the key word, small.
That’s the key word, small.
This is the only time in the thread that the word "small" is used.
My grandmother used to put warm olive oil in my ears for my frequent ear infections (parents both smoked). They were so painful they’d bring me to tears, the olive oil completely got rid of the pain.
She skipped the honey and garlic though.
In an honest side note, the Essential Oil diffusers, while actually smelling pretty good can be highly dangerous to dogs.....
Edit: like the plug in power diffuser crazy mom jobs
People should use their scents and use medicine!
I bought them as scents but still felt like I was contributing to an awful industry.
Enough people kill themselves or their kids with them that I think it's something law enforcement should be looking into. Like, who cares what the intended use for it is, here is what it is being used for.
That’s like making Tide pods illegal because some stupid teenagers ate them.
I mean, we could put a label on them saying they are poisonous if ingested or somethhing...I'm sure that will work well.
Most essential oils do have warning labels. I have a brand that sells organic essential oils to use in a diffuser. I'd never recommended ingesting them.
I also make hair perfumes from EOs. Again, no ingesting.
Same here... the company even states directly the oils should NEVER be placed in the ears.
Just went and looked.... I have orange, lemon, eucalyptus, peppermint, tea tree, cinnamon, and rosemary essential oils. All but one says DO NOT INGEST or FOR AROMATHERAPY USE ONLY, very clearly. I think people just ignore it.
The only one that does not say for araomatherapy only is the cinnamon oil, which I bought in the baking section of the store. It still says not to apply to the skin, so even that one isn't supposed to be shoved in your ear lol.
My wife had a friend who had her “try out some oils”.
We were on vacation and came in from the beach to get ready to go eat.
I was showering and she was doing her hair and make up. She stepped out to get my daughters motivated to get to get Ready
I got out of shower and had a like half sneeze that jarred a huge booger just loose enough to give me that tickle-itch combo feeling deep in my nose. It was instantly maddening. Tried to blow my nose: made it even worse.
Without thinking I grabbed a q-tip from the sink counter a shoved it in my nose to dislodge the mega booger.
My sinus exploded with the burning fury of a thousand suns. Instant torture. It was like Dick Cheney was right there using a map gas torch on my mucous membranes.
I am screaming like a preschooler.
Wifey walks in sees me holding my face in pain sitting on the side of the tub. She says, “I hope you didnt put that qtip up your nose. It had Oregano Oil on it!.”
That ended her dabbling in oils. My nose burned for DAYS
my mom had a brief “let’s do essential oils” thing and had my dad drink oregano oil for a headache or something. long story short he had diarrhea, threw up and then passed out on the bathroom floor.
But was his headache gone?
It’s a hazy line because a lot of this comes from the pseudoscience of the Internet (and Young Living. And doTerra.)
Goes for both tide pots and essential oil?
Maybe put the Tide pods in her ears? Or shove some crystals down there.
Those teens took it upon themselves to do that though. Parents are giving their kids oils thinking it's gonna help. There's difference between making something illegal because it's dangerous to injest against something that's one, not medicine and should be defined as such, and the child endangerment/abuse that's happening to these kids
I mean, not really. No one ate them as a cure for something. Or forced their loved ones to consume them as an alternative to proven medicine.
Well its illegal to consume duster and whatnot inconsistently with its packaging so we should do that (and start enforcing it) with essential oils.
I am happy to say, that’s not true. You are looking at a subreddit that specifically advertises cases of such idiots and how they hurt themselves. I work in the medical field and I am happy to report that it is very rare that someone ends up in an ER or at the doctors office with an adverse event from those oils. I am not saying using them isn’t stupid, it’s just not common enough to enact a law. They are at least much less common that adverse events of smoking or drinking and those are still legal.
That's good to know, and a more reasonable response than I've been getting on this thread. I can agree that looking at a sub like this can greatly exaggerate the frequency of such events.
It's that ol' confirmation bias at work: Nobody writes news stories (or posts on reddit) about planes that don't crash, teenagers who don't eat Tide Pods, or essential oils being used properly and harmlessly. Hearing stories about each exceptional case gives us the mistaken impression that it's not that exceptional.
Yes, my mind was already changed by another commentor earlier, all is right with the world again friend. Namaste.
I agree with what you are saying. Not that the oils can kill or hurt you. I think what most of us have a problem with is using oils in place of needed medical treatment. Someone I know was using them for Bipolar Disorder. Then got “certified” and started “treating” people with every condition ever. By the end she was living in a camping trailer in her dad’s backyard and he was saying she was literally crazy. Her death later...I was never sure if it was an accident or she planned it.
I'm kind of a hippie and I'm into herbal medicine (in addition to, not instead of, conventional Western medicine) and a lot of the actual herbalists I've spoken to are very cautious about essential oils. They say that EOs should only be used externally in an extremely dilute form except in very very specific situations, and that it's just companies like Young Living that are encouraging people to consume EOs in risky ways in order to sell more oils. There's a concern that if this continues, EOs might face legal restrictions that will make it harder for people who want to use them for legitimate reasons.
Plus, lots of EOs are pretty terrible for the environment. It takes one literal ton of rose petals to make an ounce of rose EO, for example. This is a huge problem for endangered plants like sandalwood. It's so much better most of the time to use herbs as infusions or tinctures or whatever instead of EOs.
There is a post elsewhere here on reddit (no I won't link it) where a woman thought herself a witch and made a potion with the intent of making a relative do as she ordered. She died from consuming her EO "potion." It took a few days to die and it wasn't pleasant. Especially for the family who had to helplessly stand by. This all went down within the last 3 months.
Someone I follow on instagram peddles DoTerra and she always shows pics of her putting EO in water and drinking it. Which ok its diluted sure but you could also just use lemon and grapefruit? Why bother with the oils? Also she has several thousand followers some of which are going to think drinking EO is ok or not dilute enough.
This is also a problem because water can't dilute oil, so this can still irritate the mucous membranes in the digestive tract. EOs have to be diluted in carrier oils (almond oil, olive oil, etc.) or alcohol to be safely consumed or used on the skin.
Or they will think, "Hey if this amount diluted can do ____, then a more concentrated drink will work even better!!"
Exactly, which is also why you get a lot of people putting EO directly on their skin instead of diluting, which isn't for strength but for safety.
That's... Not how modern witchcraft works :( ugh fucking idiots (her, not you)
This is a joke, right?
Some people do just want to ban everything that scares them.
More kids probably die from malnutrition or drowning than do essential oils.
Car accidents, choking on anything and everything, just being a dumbass teen...
The list goes on.
Not a lot of kids die from guns though, statistically.
If you want to ban everything people misuse to detrimental effect, society will be left with just about nothing. The government is not a parental unit.
Essential oils don’t need to be banned or controlled but the companies that knowingly encourage their salespeople to make unsubstantiated and/or dangerous claims without penalty should be penalized and what claims they are allowed to make should be regulated.
These essential oil mlms are actively encouraging unsafe uses of their products and lying to and misleading purchasers about the uses and dangers of their products. There should be ways to limit that.
When this happens, we usually make unintended use of the product illegal. Like I'm pretty sure you can get arrested for huffing paint, axe body spray and duster, as all of those products have an "its unlawful to consume this in a manner inconsistent with packaging" label.
The reason we make it illegal is so cops have probable cause to investigate cases like this and stop people from just walking around in public huffing and being a nuisance. Same reason its illegal to attempt suicide.
You really shouldn’t look into OTC pain relievers if you’re worried about public health.
Essential oils are used a lot in hobby candle making.
They will put dog shit in their kid ears. You can't stop them sadly. We can jail them and take away their kids.
But then natural selection doesn't do its thing
Yeah my cousin gave me mint oil for a headache a couple summers ago. Turns out mint oil can't cure severe anemia. It did smell nice though and was refreshing in the summer.
My doctors gave me peppermint oil for morning sickness when it turned out I was allergic to Zofran. It actually helped with the nausea and now I use it for mild nausea (it doesn’t help if I’m already throwing up - I have cyclical vomiting syndrome - but it helps with the nausea.)
I just found out a few months back I have cyclic vomiting syndrome. I would not wish it on my worst enemies, well maybe a couple. I am sorry Zofran does not work for you I had heard peppermint works for nausea. If it is a short episode I can eat chocolate or Andies though it is few and far between. Do you know your triggers?I have been fighting to find one for 10 years still coming up with nothing.
Are there any foods that you think helps when it is all over to be able to start eating again?
To me, it's simpler - million dollar fine for anyone who claims they have medicinal benefits.
The company would shut up almost instantly, as would almost everyone selling near the top. Add in a few massive fines to people promoting on a small scale on FB, and you destroy the financial incentive in an entirely ethical way.
Banning things isn't the solution. Banning lies is.
People seem to not realize they're called "essential" oils because of their essence (smell), not their fucking necessity or importance.
How can you ban something that is essential.
I like you.
I mean tea tree oil has fr medicinal value please dont ban.
How effective is it really? I have a cyst I had my mom look at after church Sunday and our preacher's wife came in. She said "why dont you use a compact?" My mother who is a nurse said 'yeah a hot rag would help bring it to a head!" And the other lady said "oh yeah, you could use some tea tree oil and lemon on it!" to which my mom just kinda got quiet and gave me a look.
I asked her about it after and mom said "yeah we get those types sometimes. You just gotta gently say "hey why don't you use some of this (real) medicine instead? Thatd be a great idea!"
If you take away my peppermint oil that I use in my diffuser to make my house smell like Christmas year round I will literally fight you.
I'd like to know more about this opinion.
For what reason should we ban the sale of essential oils? I put a drop in the diffuser periodically. I was always told they have certain therapeutic benefits.
Studies have repeatedly shown that essential oils either don't work, don't work as well as existing therapies, or are actively harmful (depending on the oil and the condition). If you're just using them for some aromatherapy / room smell-good that's one thing. If you're trying to treat legitimate health concerns, please see a doctor.
The below ep of Sawbones goes into it a bit, though the EOs aren't the focus of the episode.
I put a drop of tea tree oil on my toilet paper when I wipe and it cured my diabetes
Intended use vs. what idiot use it for and end up killing their children.
Aromatherapy isn’t an evidence-based treatment. It’s just a placebo.
Essential oils can be effective for treating certain conditions. They are in a lot of products we use, such as shampoos. The problem is when we use them as an exclusive alternative to traditional medicine.
No. Ban them and there will be a black market for them and then people will complain of a conspiracy later that theres a miracle cure that the government wont let us use.
Then how do I add fragrance to homemade things? For the nice smelling spray I made to deter my cats? What do I use for aromatherapy? Despite how much you wish you could, you can't ban stupidity.
There are so many warnings on them. I use a couple I got as gifts. One of the ones I use really helps to ease the pain on my muscles. I use it every few nights as a treat (not supposed to use them every day). Cools the area and numbs it a bit. It's quite nice.
Essential oils are very strong. Using them on children is fucking idiotic.
Don't blame the product blame the idiots. I use laundry detergent to clean my clothes. Some people use them as a means for entertainment via ingestion. Some people use buildings to live in. Some people use buildings as jungle gyms and fall off.
Procreation should require a license.
You don't? Because they have legitimate uses and only idiots use them medicinally. You can't ban everything that idiots use in the wrong fashion.
Essential oils are super beneficial for lots of things. Just none of them are medical.
There was this couple that got their child taken away because they refused to give him medicine for his fever.
It wasn’t just a fever. If I remember it was a 105° fever and the kid’s naturopath doctor told the mother to take the kid to the ER immediately.
Because he suspected MENINGITIS. And they thought "nah, he'll be fine". Some people dont deserve the kids they have
Things like this terrify me. My wife had a bad reaction to the Pertussis vaccine and damn near died. We have had quite a few conversations as to wether or not our kids (when we have them) should have that vaccine.
Talk to your Drs.
Vaccines have come a loooooong way from when we were all kids.
I definitely will. Kids are a few years off for us thankfully.
My eldest son had a bad reaction to a vaccine. All my kids were put on an extended schedule under the care of the central vaccination office (I’m in Australia where this is all done by the Govt) After each shot they would be observed for two hours. It took 18 months and was as boring as hell, but they are all vaccinated.
If you do want kids, get the details from your wife’s parents now just in case. Exactly what the reaction was, how fast it came on, what the doctors thought it was caused by, and how they fixed it. That way, you’ll be ready in case your kids need an extended schedule, or even individual vaccines (which are available, but hard to get a hold of in some places).
Jeez that sounds rough. But thank you for the info! Her doctor has since “retired” to escape several potential malpractice lawsuits.
Aw bugger. Just gather as much information as you can !
Pretty sure 104 is lethal after a short while
Brain damage usually starts at around 107° but your brain really doesn’t like being hotter than your regular internal body temperature.
Yeah but at the age the kid was at I'm pretty sure they were like half a degree from the kid dying
Oh for sure. Kids’ bodies, while remarkably resilient, are very fragile.
Humans as a whole are fragile. People have survived being shot point blank in the head but others can’t walk right after twisting their ankle 20 years ago.
Sprained my ankle a year ago. It starts hurting again every time I sit cross legged (which used to be a very comfy position for me). Looking forward to the next 20 years.
They refused to let CPS enter too, that's the big one
All the time, I’d have called CPS on this person immediately had I seen this post.
I hope right fucking here. Maybe a few steps earlier too.
After they die it seems
A child just literally killed his sister with a gun left lying around... no charges...
This kind of negligence is mild compared to what goes on everyday
This isn’t negligence. Negligence implies lack of observation/supervision (like leaving a gun around unsupervised around children). This is an intentional action, albeit misguided, that hurts another individual. Very different from parental negligence and imo should be likened to putting bleach in your kids cereal. Just because one doesn’t believe it’s harmful doesn’t stop it from being so, and therefore criminal.
I thought you said there was a facetime jail and I was intrigued...
This is also assault. What is wrong with these people?
We have to make up for drastically decreased infant mortality rates by looking the other way sometimes
It's still ok in most places to hotbox your car with cigarettes with your kids in the backseat. Dont expect any changes soon.
In this day and age it seems like the only child abusers who go to jail are the ones who directly beat the hell out of kids. There are thousands of ways people abuse children everyday that go unnoticed or even PRAISED. I something about a mom making her 4 year old son a transgender girl. At four a kid is learning their damn ABCs, they have literally no concept of gender or sex other than boys play sports and have short hair. The worst part is that it was being praised in the article for her bravery. Child abuse happens all over the world like this.
When the oil is hot
Unfortunately these days we basically treat children like they are the property of parents.
What do they think it will do?
Soak into the affected tissues and... sing kumbaya?
You are fucked, my child. Your mom’s an ass.
Your mom is such an ass.
This killed me thank you
No, no. The lack of essential oils killed you
Needs more STRENGTH applied to his core abdominal muscles as well as one or two drops of RADIANCE applied to his taint.
Don't worry the kid will join you in a while
Your moms a dumb fuck, and people pity you.
remove the toxins, Hun!
If they're using essential oils for this, they quite literally (most likely) think it will do everything. Balance moods, clear infections, heal wounds, make the infertile fertile, literally anything you want it to do oils do. According to the people who shill them at least.
All the charlatans had to do was change the word "snake" to "essential" and a 19th century trick works in the 21st century. Unbelievable.
Also works with "CBD"
Ugh thank you. I'm glad somebody is saying it.
I'm sick of people touting CBD as some miracle substance that's basically the same as the essential oil crazies.
Whenever I ask one of my friends who always says how much CBD helps them what it's actually helping them with, I can never get a straight answer. It's basically "whatever you want it to really."
Anxiety? CBD. Insomnia? CBD. Cancer? CBD. Anal leakage? CBD. Gay but don't want to be? CBD. Indicted for murder? CBD. Dear lord enough already.
I would say that there's a difference between CBD and EOs though. CBD does have proven uses and has definite pharmacological activity in the brain and other tissues. CBD for example is proven effective in helping treat and prevent seizures. It also is thought to help with anxiety/depression (although we have some studies showing it does help, they're not entirely conclusive). It does help cancer patients (along with THC, usually) to counteract the negative effects of chemotherapy.
To anecdotal evidence from me, it definitely helps me keep calm. It also does help me sleep. As for pain, it doesn't help me with pain but it does seem to help along with other anti-inflammatory agents (i.e, when I take it with ibuprofen it helps a lot more than if I were to take Ibuprofen by itself).
It's nowhere near a cure-all, but to compare it to essential oils, which have no proven use or pharmacological effect besides poisoning in most cases, is to downplay the possible upsides the compound does have.
CBD does have proven uses and has definite pharmacological activity in the brain and other tissues.
CBD does have proven uses and has definite pharmacological activity in the brain and other tissues.
Fair point, I guess I'm just sick of all of the burnouts I know using it claiming it's some kind of miracle drug like the EO nuts do. They are not uncommon where I live unfortunately.
Definitely. While there are some benefits to essential oils, such as calming with aromatherapy, an antiseptic depending on what oil, there's very limited applications. I use them for cleaning, baths, and laundry, but that's it. Mostly for aromatherapy. CBD on the other hand has more pharmaceutical benefits. I have pain in my lower back down to my thigh that's been there for about a year. No real cause, but it goes away when using CBD. No restricted motion, no aches and pains, it's just gone. I suffer from mild, chronic, anxiety as well, it helps a little with that, but not as much as a shot of whiskey.
i've also read a handful of studies (see: actually read the fucking scientific literature, not diluted media accounts of them) that show it has potential in liver diseases as being able to slow down fibrosis and the progression of cirrhosis. of course there were only like 4-5 separate articles on this, so i'm not going around screaming "CBD IS GOOD FOR YOUR LIVER" but they're promising news if they can be replicated more.
Exactly. I work for a cannabis dispensary in a medicinal only state and there are very strict laws and regulations put upon (marijuana-based) CBD oil here. Another important distinction is I have never had to pay to sell anything to anyone. I just manage my little dispensary and get actual, regular paychecks.
There are CBD oil people -Hempworx I think is the MLM company - out there who are indistinguishable from essential oil people. The only difference is the label on their bottle of nonsense. But CBD has proven benefits and there are thousands of doctors who can and do actually “recommend” (pretty much prescribe) it to patients.
Just don’t put it in your kids ear if they have a ruptured ear drum.
Or if they don't yet have one
Yeah, I tried some pain lotion and it's just below icy hot on effectiveness. And while it doesnt cure gay it does make cock taste gross.
And while it doesnt cure gay it does make cock taste gross.
And while it doesnt cure gay it does make cock taste gross.
Thanks for confirming lmao
Maybe that's how it cures the gay.
I've never heard anyone claiming CBD cures cancer or the many things people claim essential oils do.
It does have a wide variety of medical uses though, the main difference is that there are actual clinical trials to back it up.
I've never heard anyone claiming CBD cures cancer or the many things people claim essential oils do.
That surprises me to be honest. I've heard quite a few people make claims like that. Although I'm also involved in a sister industry of sorts (e-liquid) so I deal with a lot of people who also use/sell CBD products, so that could be why I'm more likely to be exposed to it.
You should visit the comment section of any article that says anything remotely negative about pot
Nah equating it to the hype of essential oils is just incorrect. The reason so many false claims about essential oils are made is because of the MLM component behind it, rewarding people for falsely advertising it to a grandiose scale without any research behind it and with almost no risk of consequences. And as mentioned earlier, there are actually clinical studies showing potential benefit of CBD as treatment for a wide variety of ailments. I don't doubt that some people make baseless claims about CBD, but it's not even a fraction of the essential oil madness.
Ha, I genuinely envy you. I actually see a lot more people claiming that CBD will cure literally everything than I see people using EOs. There are a ton of people who think "Big Pharma" wants marijuana to be illegal because it cures cancer (plus every other disease that has ever existed).
Anxiety? Yes. Insomnia? Yes. And what? That's all you listed. Take a chill pill or take some CBD. It helps with stress. lol
My buddies wife is huge into Dotera. Like beyond obsessed. I brought my dog over one day to his house. The dog has a large cyst on her ribs that I havent had removed as shes pretty old. So his wife starts telling me that a certain blend of her oils will dissolve the tumor cells if I wipe the vial of oil over her fur on the tumor. When I got home I threw out the vial because that is stupid.
I hate these people. Some essential oils can kill pets.
once someone tried to convince me to stop taking my (very extremely important) antidepressants because they were “impure”. her explanation? that oils cure depression. there are people who actually think this
I honestly wonder how you even become that delusional. I literally think it's more logical to believe in Zues at this point.
They are willing to risk the health of their children because of some positive they read on a blog about the benefits of these oils.
I have a cold. My boss poured Thiefs essential oil into a coffee cup with hot water and told me that cures everything. Including his stepdad's stage 4 lung cancer :/
It’s like snake oil, but without the subtlety.
Everything you’ve ever dreamed of!
Seriously, it’s ridiculous! All those mlm huns and these social media pics praising their ‘natural’ remedies.
This mother probably caused unrepairable damage in her kids ear. I would be surprised if she isn’t anti vaxx as well.
Balancee that Chakras.
Fed my child nothing but essential oils over the past two days. She's still not feeling well, am I using the right ones?
Maybe take them to the hospital, you daft tool.
(Not you, OP. You’re cool.)
:) thank you
You should call CPS
I absolutely love people who specify this.
Never heard of that oil
It was invented on the exact same day people started using essential oils for medical purposes. Weird.
AntiVaxxer, for certain.
The number of kids I see (as an audiologist) who have chronic ear infections that are avoidable is so sad...
It’s not just measles.
Are there vaccinations for ear infections? Because I used to always get ear infections but was up-to-date my whole life?
No vaccinations for ear infections specifically but there are vaccinations for a couple of common causes of ear infections. Also not smoking is a super way to prevent ear infections in your kid. Also, making sure you take them to the doctor at the first sign of ear discomfort, like tugging or head tilting. Not cleaning the ear with q-tips, which actually can cause more damage, and certainly not any hokey pokey shit like candling or essential oil drops. Lots of respiratory infections can also affect the ears, so, making sure those kinds of infections are also treated helps.
essential oil drops
essential oil drops
Not oil essential drops, but I've had the stuff that you put in the ears and let it rest and then let it drain. Sometimes it bubbles? Is that stuff okay for children?
Thats sodium bicarbonate. It is used to soften wax.
Source: i get my ears syringed every 6 months or otherwise i go practically deaf. You use sodium bicarbonate to soften wax ahead of time. The bubbling is the wax dissolving.
God, the syringing process is fucking heaven. sometimes though if I can't find my ear drops I'll just use hydrogen peroxide. The bubbling is super nice.
Call your doctor and ask please.
Yeah it's called Debrox. My kid's physician recommended it as a safe alternative to Q-tips (but of course you should clarify with your child's own PCP too)
I have two goofy questions.
What about hydrogen peroxide in the ear when it's super gunky?
Would putting the essential oils in the ear make the infection worse?
Sorry, and thank you!
I'm only an undergrad communicative disorders student but I'm going to go with
1: No. Do not clean out your ears with any thing other than what your doctor (MD, ENT, or AuD) tells you specifically to. Because a) we super duper need earwax to keep OUT microbes (and literal bugs!) When you put stuff like that in your ear, it can strip all the wax and oils out of the skin in your ear. This creates a super awesome breeding environment for bacteria and can also cause inflammation which can trap fluids in your ear, exacerbating microbial growth.
2: I'm going to go with probably yes, it could make things worse, because of the above. In addition, since "essential oils" aren't really regulated in any real way they could contain compounds that could irreparably damage the sensitive tissues or nerves in the ear.
My dad poured hot wax into my ear, and told me to take it like a man while I screamed in agony. Held me down and poured more wax on the other ear while I tried to run. Held me firmly and hit me until I stopped crying.
I was 5 or 6
Have you tried Frankensense though?
I think you mean Frankensense’s monster
Not the above or an audiologist but no, no vaccines for ear infections. "Could be prevented" is usually just cleaning/catching the problem before it gets to "fully infected" status. Though the other person is welcome to give a not stoopid answer.
While not really for ear infections per se, children get two vaccines against 2 of the 3 most common bacteria that cause this (Pnemococcus and H. Flu), but despite this we still put in a million tubes to prevent infections. Source: I’m a pediatric ENT
I love how the most qualified possible person (you) responds to this question but sitting at the top is someone who says “nope no vaccines for this”
Kids get vaccinated against h. flu and strep pneumo, two bacteria that used to cause the majority of ear infections amongst other types of infections (pneumonia, bacteremia, meningitis). There are still plenty of bacteria and viruses that cause ear infections though.
There are vaccinations against the most common cause, but not in a general sense. Kids’ Eustachian tubes are kind of flat, so bacteria stays trapped in there.
But, without your pneumococcal vax, it’s a lot worse.
Yeah, two of the bacterial we vaccinate against (pneumococcus and h. Flu) can cause ear infections. We vaccinate against them because these bacteria can also cause meningitis, but a happy side effect is that they greatly reduce ear infections.
I know this is interesting. Has the poster at least replied directly to the parents? You know like "Hey idiots get you child to a doctor or I'll come by and hit you with a 2 by 4." You know something subtle like that?
Also he said he put oils in her ear before the rupture. This implies he caused it. If true social services should be taking his children away.
No, it doesn't imply they caused it. It implies the damn oils aren't going to fix a problem that was already brewing, the same as doing fuck-all nothing instead of going to a doctor.
Which is neglect. If true social services should be taking his children away.
Taking children away is extreme and should only be done in the very worst of situations. This parent needs education.
Seriously. The stuff SS deal can be truly horrific and extreme, and avoid taking children away because of the trauma it would cause them. But even if they have to, most of the time the end goal is to get the parents in a better place in life so they can have their children back. People throw around the action of taking children away too simply.
Trust me when I say that taking the children away is worse. I am friends with someone who went through foster care. It's way more traumatizing and horrific than a ruptured eardrum, and should only be done in the worst situations. This parent needs a (very hard) slap in the face, not their child taken away.
Don't just assume we've got the programs or facilities in place to properly care for the child if it's taken away in this case.
I'll come by and hit you with a 2x4
I'll come by and hit you with a 2x4
Whats the point they’re going to refuse the treatment
I think at a certain point it's ok for the state to remove children from their parents.
Hey idiots get you child to a doctor or I'll come by and hit you with a 2 by 4.
Hey idiots get you child to a doctor or I'll come by and hit you with a 2 by 4.
Joke's on you. I have an oil blend that works great on wood-related contusions.
Pardon me, but fuck your mom. I'm enraged she did that to try to prove a point. I'm sorry.
I am also... what disgusting behavior.
Similar thing happened to me when I was 7, though it wasn’t my moms fault, the old country bumpkin of a Doctor in the little lake town we were visiting told her it was just swimmers ear and to put rubbing alcohol in it. Turns out my ear drum had a giant hole through it. To this day the worst pain I’ve been in.
This just happened to me last summer. I dove off a diving board, had a pop in my ear and a ton of vertigo. I thought it was just water in my ears that I wasn't used to so I put alcohol in it, nope, ruptured my ear drum and had the worst pain ever. I probably sounded like I was being murdered for a solid 10 minutes
Unfortunately it was to prove a point however fortunately she did stop using oils for medicinal purposes and instead just uses them like perfume. I eventually forgave her and my ear has healed. Not the same as it used to be tho. And if u think about it I kinda proved my point lol. Just really shitty and still remains as the worst pain i have ever endured.
You're a better person than I am. I don't think I'd forgive her for that.
They give too much money to politicians for that to ever happen. Just like payday loan companies. Politicians on both sides jump out of the woodwork the moment anyone tries to actually do anything about this industry of con artists. The closest we get to actual action on this is the FDA requiring them to not make medical claims...and then never actually enforcing it because the companies just pretend they didn't "directly" tell anyone to lie (despite having massive conferences every year directing everyone to lie).
There are rules in place, there's just more money in place stopping them from working. Murica. Land of the Oligarchs.
As a med student I can fully say. A ruptured eardrum is like a handgrenade constantly going off in your ear (length depends on severity of rupture) and it is indeed one of the most painful things a human being can experience. Likely I haven't taken the Hippocratic oath. So I can beat the CRAP out of that "mom" if I ever see her.
Go for the hypocritical oath instead. Do harm.
Both words come from the same origin!
Wouldn't that be a homeopath?
I ruptured my ear drum diving once, can’t tell you how brutal that was.
Someone needs to call CPS on this woman, she admitted to putting oils in the kids prior to it rupturing, cause/effect maybe?
No, they were using the oils to "cure" an ear infection, it wasn't doing anything, hence, the ear drum burst.
Yeah, that was my point (prior to rupturing)
Some essential oils like I believe lavender(?) can do harm if not diluted though.
I was diving and didn’t equalize my ear pressure correctly on the way up— i didn’t even rupture an eardrum but the pain was so excruciating and I curled up in the boat and didn’t move my head until we got back. I can’t imagine what these children go through, especially when it’s their own parents making it worse.
Worst part was, by the time I realized something was very, very wrong, I had to fly home in 24 hours. Yeah, that sucked.
But these assholes that do it voluntarily to their kids? I agree, total pukes.
"Now what do I do?"
I don't know - maybe learn sign language so you'll be able to apologize to your kid for fucking up their life.
It's the end result of an untreated ear infection or an ear infection in which treatment isn't started soon enough (antibiotics being the treatment) and not uncommon. It typically heals after the pressure is gone (infection cleared, eustachian tubes start draining, combination thereof). But could also cause partial deafness in that ear.
Okay, so what they did to their kid was awful, and their kid is in a shitton of pain that could have been avoided. But they're probably not deaf--their eardrum will heal. There might be sure hearing loss if it is a severe tear, but it's not instant deafness. (I used to think it was!)
This is the result of modern day quackery. It's wise to try alternate medical treatments but they should be recommended by someone who has medical training from a valid institution. It's disconcerting that people think they are smarter than someone who went to medical school. I'm not saying docs can't be wrong or alternate medicine is bad, just that folks should use critical thinking. For example. Is the person touting the benefits of the oils also selling them? Where are the peer reviewed studies showing the effectiveness?
I'm worried about people. Ugh.
I suspect it's got SFA to do with "quackery" and more to do with the fact that they're American, and have no access to healthcare.
I live in France. We have very good health care (lots of drugs are free) but there are still anti vaxer and people using essential oils to treat everything... People are to dumb to understand that they might someday kill their children because they think they’re smarter than people that have studied for 11 years.
Uh...they're using essential oils to treat problems. I'm pretty sure the issue is quackery.
In England we have the NHS and still 13% of people aren't vaccinated or up to date. Btw I got that number from the BBC news report
if alternative medicine was recommended by a professional wouldn't it be just normal medicine?
This is child abuse. Call the police.
It certainly is, if the oils were put on before the rupture, it has a chance of being the cause.
My ear drum ruptured a few years ago and omg it hurt like hell, I feel so bad for this the kid because it probably won't heal right because of the oils. Considering how we did everything the hospital told us to and I still can barely hear..
This is why I am in full support of /r/antimlm
How is the first comment not “take her to the hospital”?
I’ll never understand the essential oil craze. I always thought it was to make their room smell nice. Why are people rubbing them into their skin or drinking it? I would imagine that consuming chemicals would hurt a lot.
Child cruelty/neglect. People have been jailed for far less
Uh essential oils to "Prevent" Ruptured ear drums? People are so dumb. I saw one of those Facebook essential oils on my wife's page as she is sitting next to me. I was like is that person for real or making fun she said for real and i said unfriend she said no because she was a friend from school. So i thought the whole MLM essential oil thing was blown up more than it should on here but there it was in real life. All the things that can be cured by essential oils. Focus, Bedtime, exercise, Positive Outlook for the love of god people are stupid.
Essence : an extract or concentrate obtained from a particular plant or other matter and used for flavoring or scent.
Big corporations have managed to use “essential” as a vague term (meaning “smell”, but implying “necessary) to trick idiots into buying their worthless crap.
These idiots are the same people crying about how “big pharma” is so evil, yet they are the ones being lethally tricked into buying a company’s product. Just because a company has pretty green flowers in their logo, does not make them an innocent or small company.
My ear drum popped last year... And a girl at church tried to get me to put lavender oils in my ear. I tried like he'll to get her to understand WHY it was dangerous, and she didn't understand.
I still have severe issues, and cant risk getting water in my ear. (No ins, so I'm just tucked until I can have surgery.)
To do this to your kid... I know the pain that kid is in... Its abuse.
I work at an urgent care. Recently had a person come in with the worst ear infection we've ever seen, to the point we had to send them to the hospital...because their family member put concentrated essential oils into their ear. The whole room smelled like oils, it was the stupidest thing I've ever seen while working in healthcare.
As someone who just recently had to deal with a nasty ear infection that probably would have ruptured my eardrum if I didn't get it properly fucking treated, this hurts me on a physical level.
I think what we’re actually witnessing are the signs before the Rapture.
Then she'll have raptured eardrums
I ruptured my ear drum a year or so ago and it is still the worst pain I've ever felt (and I've had 2 kids, a broken arm and a slipped disk). My mum was visiting and I was screaming so horrendously she called an ambulance! Obviously unnecessary but it was seriously like having a knitting needle rammed into my head and swirled around. I've been left with tinnitus too which is it's own unique brand of irritation, but hey ho. But oils?! What a sadist.
Child services! Child services! This fucking idiot right here!
This lady is a double moron. If she has tubes like she says, it’s not ruptured the tube is draining pus. Kid needs antibiotic drops, not oil crap. She should know this. Source: I’m a pediatric ENT
Hi yes my sister has broken both of her legs and lost a toe
Doctor: oh god and what have you tried to do??
Me: I thought essential oils would magically fix them
Doctor: and who told you that would work
Me: some article lol
Doctor: what about our medical records?
Me: no one reads that that stuff is for nerds
Doctor: she’s not breathing you know
I tell my patients with hard compacted ear wax to use mineral or olive oil drops in their ear once a day for a few days before seeing me to get their ears clean - what kind of fucking essential oils are they using here to perforate her eardrum?
Also bilateral tubes are NOT the answer lmao - why put a tube through an eardrum with a hole in it already? It would be a tympanoplasty if the ear doesn't heal itself
My parents would on occasion put warm olive or mineral oil in our ears as kids.
Nothing bad ever happened.
It actually felt soothing.
My parents usually watched for low-grade fevers and such as a sign something was more serious.
I can’t imagine what they essential oils using that would cause such damage.
It won’t do anything for an ear infection but it can’t hurt either. Yea no idea what was going on in this screenshot
This should count as child abuse
All anti-vax/homeopathic medicine moms and dads should be arrested
What about people knowingly making their kids obese? Better build a lot more prisons
Ruptured eardrums are fucking brutal. I had a nasty ear infection in 6th grade that went unchecked and my eardrum eventually ruptured, it was horrible.
Luckily mine wasn’t bad enough to require surgical intervention, but I had to be on antibiotics and special ear drops for weeks, on top of the fact that I could barely hear out of one ear. It hurt. And oh god, the drainage, so much nastiness and blood. I feel so bad for this poor child.
A friend of mine is an ER doc and she had to treat a kid in a similar situation last year. The mom had been dumping orange oil in his ears for weeks because he was having ear aches. It got down inside his ear drums and he lost the hearing completely in one ear.
Jesus I hope she was reported to CPS
Can someone explain the essential trend to me? Why are random parents jumping in the oil wagon?
There’s a small part of me that always wants shit like this to be fake because the thought of there being someone out there that’s so dumb is terrifying.
So im guessing the oil caused the ruptured eardrum?
No, no, you're looking at it wrong. You see, he put it before the rupture.
Yeah I know, thats what I said, the oil caused the rupturw. why he put it in is what baffles me
To prevent it from happening in the first place, of course!
Btw, just to clarify, this was an /s, I'm 100% on the side of sanity here
Not necessarily. The infection itself can cause the eardrum to rupture.
my ruptured eardrum was treated over 2 weeks with antibiotics and constant cleaning and it still left me deaf in that ear. i can’t imagine what that poor kid is going through.
I've had both my eardrums rupture at the same time. Fuck this person for putting their kid through that.
My 22 month old son has had 6 ear infections in the last year and every time he starts tugging on his ears, I call his doctor or take him to urgent care. Who the hell lets their child get to the point where an eardrum ruptures?! That doesn't happen spontaneously.
I’ve had man injuries in my life, including broken bones, a few cuts, bad sunburns, etc. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING even comes close to the pain and agony of an ear infection so bad that it eventually ruptures your eardrum. It makes every other pain I’ve ever experienced seem mild in comparison. Coincidentally, I was fifteen years old when it happened to me. If I had had a gun, I would have blown my brains out and I’m not even kidding. I wouldn’t wish that pain on anybody. I don’t know how else to describe it other than 10/10 on the pain scale.
Edit: And this kid’s cunt of a mother is part of the reason for this poor child’s suffering. She should go to jail child endangerment.
I think we should make essential oils a controlled substance, so that you a prescription to get it. That way the dumb shit parents have to to tell a doctor what they want it for and the doctor can in turn call child protective services.
Having just ruptured my ear drum 3 weeks ago (pro tip: don’t fly while congested) I feel so much sympathy for the kid, holy crap. Essential oils do not prevent these things and often make them so much worse!!
I only remember pain from when my ear drum ruptured. I could barely move. If someone started dropping essential oils into my ear on top of the ear drops you have to take I would’ve wanted to die.
Ear perforations are horrible. I accidentally perforated mine age 20. Just had a shower, sat with my hair in a towel and a metal "tail comb" in my right hand, idly scratching my ear with the tail while watching TV. Towel suddenly tips off my head, I throw my free left hand up to grab it, which hit my right hand (holding the tail comb) and drove the metal tail deep into my right ear. Liquid pouring out of it for days. Still, 35 years later, certain pitches of sound cause me physical pain in that ear.
throws fire on child
Parent: oh my god I have to find a way to fix this! Oh I know!
throws more fire on child
Seeing this physically hurts. My mom did this to me when I was young and it hurt SO BADLY. My ear swelled up and I had to scream and cry and BEG her to take me to see a doctor.
It was a week before she finally took me, they put me on antibiotics and I was fine within two days. I love my mom but I learned to never go to her for help with health problems ever again. She believes everything can be fixed with oils.
Susan, 46, living alone, 4 kids, 2 dogs, 1 cat and full time boss babe/yummy mummy on Facebook will know the answer
....ok guess what probably ASSISTED the rupture lmao
There needs to be warning labels specifying the intended uses and what not to do!!!
The intended use is to throw it away as garbage.
The bright side to all this abuse pseudoscience parents put their kids through is that they are breeding the strongest pro-science generation yet.
See, I was actually prescribed olive oil drops to loosen the ear wax so I could get it syringed out. But jesus, anything else in there...
Please report to CPS
These people don't read the warnings on oils? Yet they worry about ingredients they can't pronounce in vaccines?
I want to see someone freak out over 'cyanocobalamin' and claim that it's going to kill you.
Why the fuck would you ask facebook? Go to the motherfucking Dr. you fucking idiot.
Out of curiosity,could essential oils cause the ear drum to burst?
If there is acetic acid in it, which there probably was, then most definitely.
Ow! Holy shit I sat up all night crying as a kid one night with a ruptured eardrum, when the doc saw it it was full of blood. Cant imagine having snake oil on top of that
Can we start sending these idiots to jail? This is textbook child abuse/neglect/endangerment.
What a fucking dumb cunt. She should be put in jail for child abuse.
Wait so this girl has bilateral tubes? Because before I even could sign consent to get tubes in my ears my doctor told me several times that the only thing I can get in my ears without risking damage/pain/infection is chlorine water and prescription ear drops. I bet the essential oils clogged up her tubes and caused the pressure to build up, I feel so sorry for this poor girl!
I broke my femur in two. Which oils should I use?
She should be charged with child abuse
What the fuck is with the essential oils bullshit? Where did this dumbass "movement" come from?
“Before the rupture”
So oblivious as to why it’s ruptured
When this happened to me it got incredibly infected. Not only was I in so much pain, but this infection was resistant to the antibiotics. It took me weeks to heal and recover.
I couldn't imagine going through this without medical intervention.
"Mom, I don't think coconut oil is gonna work"
"Be quiet, I'm trying to talk to Jesus"
I read that as before the rapture
I only ever used essential oils in diffusers because I thought it was fancy and smelled nice. Who decided to start rubbing it on everything like the Windex dad in My Big Fat Greek Wedding?
I hope they reported her so that child has a small chance of getting help.
Is this already cross-posted on r/antiMLM ? It would be great there.
To me this pain was worse than giving birth...not kidding. I ended up in the emergency room due to the unbearable pain.
Ear pain is one of the worst pains for sure.
Op if you know this person personally call cps
i think i had this once as a kid, i was cleaning my ear with a cotton swap and my mom started screaming about some thing or another. caused me to jump and ram it in pretty hard. my god hte pain... iirc i was on some pink nectar of liquid meds for a month. god that shit tasted good...
Nothing is more miserable. I had a severe infection in literally all of my sinus cavities. All 8 of them. I can’t remember the term for it but it translates to “a fuck ton of pus in every possible cavity within your skull for a very long time.” Before anyone knew all that, they’d give me antibiotics, it would get better, and as soon as I finished the meds it would start coming back. During one of the in between periods, where I thought it might be going away, I took a trip for work. While the plane was descending, I started having excruciating pain in my ears. I was in tears when we landed and I could barely hear for a few days. I went to the ENT when I got back and found out what was happening. Had surgery the following week to make it possible for the stuff to drain and spent days with mucus draining out of my nose and mouth. It was some fucked up repugnant bullshit. That was several years ago and I had no problems again until this year. I spent another few weeks in pain and unable to hear. It’s amazing how long it takes to heal and I was sure I was having the same problem again so I went back to the ENT. He told me to just finish the (2nd) antibiotic and come back in a month unless it didn’t get any better. I’m getting tubes in my ears if there’s still fluid there when I go back. I don’t know anyone my age who’s had tubes put in but my grandmother died of sinus cancer and my mother has had chronic problems her whole life, so Imma do whatever the doctor tells me to do.
When I was in my early 20's I had ear infection 18 months straight. it would clear up in one ear and then start in the other. 18 months! one time it was so bad I was literally screaming non-stop for an hour until my husband took me to the emergency room. it is the worst.
A couple years back, I had a slight ear infection, and instead of going to the doctors I decided to run by to a pharmacy and grab some ear drops. I ended up buying these homeopathic “natural” ear drops, which in hindsight, probably not such a good idea. I used it for a few days. There wasn’t much improvement but the third time I used them, I had this excruciating pain run through my ears- I literally felt like I was dying. I was 17 back then and I was crying like a baby. My uncle ended up taking me to emergency care, where I had to sit through the pain for a while. Turns out I had a middle ear infection and my ear canal was eroded. Ruptured my ear drum too.
I used to wash my ears out with soap and I got so many ear infections. Didn’t even stop to think why
That's what caused the rupture
Take your child to a fucking doctor
I've got a friend who lives in an anti-vax community and makes gummy bears out of essential oils for her kids. Theives oil, to be specific, because I don't want a bunch of 'you can consume this oil' comments, which CAN be consumed, but she also throws in a cocktail of other oils, I remember looking some of them up and they're not for consumption.
hmmm clearly she didnt use enough oil.
Put the whole tube in there. /s
This is honestly just sad. Like she does care for her daughter and you can tell, but she is to ignorant. Oils don't do shit!
You see class, this is called "cause and effect"
There's almost too much science happening, real and fake. You shouldn't have to read a lot of real facts to know to not put oils into your kids ears. Also, you shouldn't read fake shit that makes you think this is okay. Very little science is required to know this is stupid
“Yes, of course” yikes
A few years back i ruptured both eardrums due to a really bad ear infection and it has affected my hearing quite a bit, not to mention it being the worst pain I have ever felt. I hope this kid's hearing will be fine after this
That would be enough for me to run away from home. If my own mother was genuinely that much of an idiot and got me in tons of physical pain so she can push her theories and agenda. I’d be out.
I slept through mine rupturing.... the doctor didn’t believe me haha. But once it’s ruptured it’s definitely no fun. You can’t tell what direction sound is coming from and you’ve got to point your good ear at whatever it is you want to hear.
Lemme just destroy her ear drum that will make it better. I know everything I’m a great parent.
I had a ruptured ear drum and the doc gave me drops which were ototoxic. I was beyond livid, luckily only took one dose
Can’t believe a parent is doing this to their child wtf
My aunt is mostly deaf in one ear and has sinus problems (both of which required surgeries to help manage) because my grandma refused to take her to the doctor when she had ear infections. Instead of going to the doctor, my grandma poured hot water and thyme into a mason jar and held it up to her ear. "Alternative medicine" aka mixing up shit and hoping for the best has been around since the dawn of time.
These parents should be exposed and arrested.
At least her ear smells good.
Ruptured eardrums are no joke. It feels like someone is constantly pushing a needle into your ear, and it just never ends. This has to be abuse or at least neglect.
Sooooooooo if this is real then this is enough evidence for CPS to step in right?
I had olive oil in my ear to soften a wax plug, that was awful
Can't imagine this kids pain
Poor kiddo. :( Ears are nothing to mess around with.
hmmm i wonder what caused it
Call someone to help this kid? Hopefully this was investigated and something actually fucking happened
Please take their parent license away
I once got an ear rupture from jumping off the top of my grandparent's houseboat and landing on an akward spot when i was around 9 or so. my mom deadass put essential fucking oils in my ear and all it did was make it worse.
Wife put hydrogen peroxide and then garlic oil in her ear. It worked. This was After antibiotics though
When I was in elementary school, I got slapped in the ear with a cupped hand and it blast a hole through my ear drum. I knew this because I now had the ability to blow air out of my ear. Now for some reason, no one seemed to believe me. I had to beg and cry to my mom to get taken in, and though she eventually did say yes she opted for urgent care. The NP gave it a look and after a really painful cleaning, prescribed me antibiotic drops and sent me away. Despite my explanation that I could blow air through it, my ear drum was so swollen that she couldn't see the hole and didn't want to listen to me. Anyway, my mom forced me to use the drops. To this day I will never forget that pain. As soon as they went in, they went through the hole and down my throat. It burned and felt like someone was dragging a knife from my ears to my stomach. This spectacle finally snapped my mom out of it and she took me to my actual doctor, who saw my drum and proceeded to curse about and call the NP as her actions made my ear worse. She switched me to oral antibiotics and after a month or two most of my hearing had returned. Moral of the story, DO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR EAT IF IT'S RUPTURED, EVEN WATER
Only thing I've ever put in my ear was peroxide...
“yes of course”
I know that oils on the ear are bad, but does anyone mind givin me the science?
Essential oils are crazy potent and will burn the skin if used undiluted. Plus, the MLMs tout that they cure everything. And parents use oils instead of medicine to the detriment of the child’s health.
That being said. I have an ear ache blend from a reputable company (not MLM) that’s diluted safely and, as much as I hate to admit it, it’s averted ear infections three different times for me. It really does kill me to admit it.
Ok so, I thought that essential oils were basically nothing and only useful for aromatherapy, but here you're saying that they are "crazy potent" and that a diluted version of them help your ears (at least I think that's you said. You gave no info on the company or the product you use). So what's the real message here? Are there actual uses if used in a certain way?
Also, it shouldn't hurt to admit it so much. This sub is about crazy people, not anti-essential oil talk. We're all just looking for truth.
They contain terpenes which have been shown to have certain outcomes. So like eucalyptus, for example, helps with breathing when congested - just like Vicks vap-o-rub. Tea tree oil has lots of uses - like its antibacterial. Or the citruses are known to enhance mood, clove numbs, etc. Black pepper and copaiba are known for pain relief if you rub them on joints. Peppermint helps headaches.
Straight out of the bottle, they are full strength. So even something that seems as benign as orange oil will burn some people if applied directly to the skin.
Usually you dilute to 5% essential oil, 95% carrier oil like jojoba or something. This makes it safe to put directly on skin. Stronger ones like clove are .5% to 99.5%. On children, the dilution ratios are even less and some aren’t safe for children at all.
I had a friend take a bath and put drops of oregano essential oil in it and had burns all over her body and she puked for a day afterward.
So, there are other uses besides aromatherapy and can be a first line treatment in some cases - like my ear one.
Putting a full strength drop in a child’s ear very well could have caused a rupture, though.
Robert Tisserand is a good resource for facts, uses, terpenes, and dilution rates.
Huh, that's actually really interesting. Up until now, I've been lead to believe these oils were just had no properties, but I misunderstood. Sounds like they could be useful, but these nutcases just slather them willy-nilly on everything like snake oil.
They're really useful for smells, let me tell you I have some lavender essential oil in a diffuser rn and my room smells fresh as fuck. But yeah that's it, as far as I know.
We get terpentine like this.
Aspirin can be extracted from willow bark. Cocaine from cocaplants and heroine from poppy seed pods.
You can get cyanide from thistle plants I think, maybe its arsenic.
Point is lots of useful and harmful chemicals in plants. You can extract them and use them for cool stuff.
Essential oils companies arent regulated and dont make the oils for consumption or human use. So you should expect variation in quality from bottle to bottle meaning lots of these batches of oils will be full of deadly chemicals in ultra high concentrations.
child 👏 protective 👏 services 👏
Child abuse child abuse child abuse
So she literally used acid (acetic acid) to dissolve the ear drum in her daughters ear.
CPS needs to get involved here and this woman needs to be admitted to a psychiatric ward for her own safety once she realises what she did.
Whoever told her that this was a good idea or told her to use essential oils at all needs to be drawn and quartered.
Have they tried turning it off and on again
I’m still blown away by how anyone thinks that they can just slap some grease on an ailment and call it good. WHAT IN THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE, IT’S JUST OIL.
Did the mom cause the rupture using the oils?
I had a simple swimmer's ear infection and even that pain was excruciating. It hurts to imagine the pain the mom put her poor child through. :(
It belongs to r/wtf
Did you try 10w30 yet?
Everyone needs to know this: If you are experiencing prolonged ear pain, visit your GP. A ruptured ear drum can cause permanent damage to your hearing.
If you have to go with home remedies, my suggestion is Google it first. Otherwise, try medication to clear your synopsises and massages to help clear them too.
You can also hold your noise and slowly try to force air out of your noise. This will make your ear kind of pop a little and you’ll hear a crackling sound as your ear drains.
Warm pads and breathing in stream helps too
This is fake, right? That reply just makes it seem so much like a joke.
"yes, of course. Before the rupture."
It sounds like something out of a family guy skit.
Tbh we should make essential oils illegal, they put children at risk of shit like this.
Yes you can still hear after a ruptured ear drum, as long as your hearing bone is unaffected.
The only difference for my experience is that I didn’t feel pain.. just an ear infection as if I had an impacted ear drum. So I guess this pain everyone is saying varies.
I needed tympanoplasty to fix it. It was done on both ears.
she should have done a fecal insertion beforehand
Like what magic do they believe essential oils are made out of? It's an oil.
How the fk are people so stupid?
NO NO NO. Jail Time. Fucking jail time and let's also have a talk with the essential oils biz that needs to pay that kids pain and suffering.
Ear candle...the next step is definitely ear candle.
Mmmm your ear is fucked up how about we pour fucking oil in it