Notre Dame is on fire.
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Nilsneo
4 days ago
Notre Dame is on fire.
Paxan
1
4 days ago

Newsthread with updates from the BBC: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/bdiuyr/notredame_on_fire_in_paris/

Video of the spire collapsing: https://youtu.be/f1t0yINNyLg

I'm not quite sure why it has to be mentioned: There is no sign of a terrorist attack. Such comments and speculations should be avoided, especially if they clearly violate our rules.

darkhorn
4248
4 days ago

NOOOO! It is 850 years old!

TheSecretMarriage
1707
4 days ago

Something really similar happened here in Turin 20 years ago, when the Chapel of the holy shroud almost collapsed after a massive fire. They were able to restore it, and i'm sure they will do the same in this case. Still, a very sad day for Europe.

iCodeInCamelCase
738
4 days ago

It looks like the damage is quite extensive as of now. It feels so helpless knowing that it is burning and there is nothing that most of us can do. What a shit day.

Edit: From BBC:

A spokesman for the cathedral said the whole structure was "burning".

"There will be nothing left", he said.

ego_non
332
4 days ago

I'm just heartbroken :( the original structure in wood was still there... now it's all flames.

PuppyBreath
8
4 days ago

I’m heartbroken as well. Notre Dame was one of the places my family visited en Europe before my father passed away.

motivated_loser
282
4 days ago

I remember getting that same helpless feeling when the news about the National Museum in Brazil broke. The problem in Brazil was ill maintained fire suppression system. I can’t comprehend how an iconic building like the Notre Dame could be incinerated like this.

k995
135
4 days ago

Cause its a very old building. They didnt buil them with fire safety in mind thos days.

sheffieldasslingdoux
82
4 days ago

You can retrofit older buildings with newer fire safety systems...

TheYang
73
4 days ago

well, nobody died, so they probably had the alarm systems which get people out.
Suppression is an entirely different matter, effective fire suppression is even more expensive and disruptive to the original building to install.
Also, most effective large scale fire suppression does nearly as much water damage to a building as a fire does.
Water just kills less people.

Fuckoffsp
5
4 days ago

More disruptive to install than the fire today?

Bobgodzillaross
30
4 days ago

What's the point of having the original structure if you cover it in insulation and turn it into a modern atructure?

f0rcedinducti0n
26
4 days ago

You might not be familiar with architecture / construction.

Where would you run the pipes? Where would you install the sprinklers? Where would you put the water tank? Sensors? Wires? control mechanisms?

There are no provisions for these things because they weren't included in the original design. Retrofitting such a thing would almost certainly destroy much of the original structure. The question becomes, how much do you compromise the historic integrity of the structure in order to install such a system?

They could rebuild it with modern fire suppression and safety standards, but then would it really be Notre Dame, or just a facsimile? If they don't rebuild it exactly as it was, I would say there is no point to rebuilding it at all, unfortunately.

k995
11
4 days ago

Sure no biggy just retrofit a momnument from the 12th century.

They were renovating it, btw probably whatcause the fire, ironic perhaps.

amaROenuZ
6
4 days ago

It was actually in the process of being renovated.

masterwit
13
4 days ago

We didn't start the fire, it's always been burning since the world's been turning!

korainato
126
4 days ago

I was excited to watch GoT after eating diner but now I'm just idling in front of my computer...

I don't even know what to tell you.

[EDIT]

I'm gonna get drunk fuck this shit

Kaleeva
117
4 days ago

Not great

themightytouch
107
4 days ago

This is gonna be unbelievably expensive to repair it. In my opinion it’s worth every Euro to do so but I don’t know how others will feel.

DutchMitchell
64
4 days ago

I’d be happy to donate my euro

zephroth
54
4 days ago

Not a European and I would donate to this cause...
This is a great tragedy...

le_GoogleFit
7
4 days ago

Donations are going to pour in. It's not going to lack any money for rebuilding but it will take a shitton of time and will never be the same anyway

ABoutDeSouffle
7
4 days ago

I have that sinking feeling that someone doing repairs caused this, happens really often that someone uses an angle grinder and the sparks fly into old insulation or a tar burner topples over.

Knutt_Bustley
6
4 days ago

It will certainly be repaired, but at the point it's not the same. A piece of our history as a people is being destroyed in front of us

SexyGoatOnline
6
4 days ago

I have a feeling we're going to be seeing and hearing a hell of a lot about the ship of theseus in the upcoming days

AleixASV
161
4 days ago

No, you can't. Any rebuild is a rebuild further from the original, and it's not hard to tell. This fire is a disaster and I hope it doesn't collapse the structure of the main vault which is at very serious risk of crumbling down, because that would in turn affect the rest of the building servery.

matthieuC
97
4 days ago

The spire just collapsed.
It's not looking good

AleixASV
63
4 days ago

Shit man I just saw that. Though the Spire is not original (19th century addition), it sucks.

saurons_scion
6
4 days ago

And then there is the original art and artifacts themselves. The original wood framing was still there too. This is heartbreaking

ego_non
6
4 days ago

The spire was from Viollet-le-Duc tho it's not that old.

Frptwenty
45
4 days ago

No one is saying it isn't a disaster.

trinitronbxb
203
4 days ago

You can replace them with indistinguishable copies.

alienatedandparanoid
223
4 days ago

That's great that they will be indistinguishable, but that doesn't change the fact that the new ones will not be the old ones. There is something about being in the presence of ancient objects.

TheLast_Centurion
62
4 days ago

Question is if it does matter if you are anaware of the fact and when you cant tell the difference

DevilSauron
153
4 days ago

It's the ship of Theseus all the way down.

mindless_gibberish
91
4 days ago

Like my Grandfather's axe. The handle has been replaced twice, and the head replaced once.

arvhult
34
4 days ago

I read this in gimli's voice

iwanttosaysmth
8
4 days ago

I think many visitors of Warsaw Old Town, unaware of WW2 destruction, cannot tell the difference

HatefulHarmony
80
4 days ago

Some of the famous windows were replaced in the 19th century. It's horrible, but we can start history anew. One day those windows from 2020 will seem mighty old.

jakesdrool05
34
4 days ago

The glass isnt 800 years old. Check out the wiki on it.

AleixASV
9
4 days ago

Actually you're right. Let's hope we have a chance to rebuilt it properly.

CaptBoids
6
4 days ago

You assume those windows were there for 800 years prior to the 19th century renovation. That's not necessarily true either.

It's true that it's a tremendous loss for us in the present day. But nothing ever stays the same. Especially heritage. Trying to preserve things as if time doesn't pass is an exercise in futility.

lemmybuscemi
15
4 days ago

Notre Dame and York Minster have the two largest collections of medieval stained glass in the world. The windows are under constant conservation and restoration. They have all the patterns and detailed pictures of every inch. They can remake them, but it truly won’t be the same.

ManhattanThenBerlin
7
4 days ago

exactly, I don't mean to be overly nostalgic, but it's hard to replace an original

Dheorl
94
4 days ago

It's like having a Monet or having a copy of a Monet though. Everyone would rather look at the original.

umaga1992
239
4 days ago

In Ireland, we say it’s “like watching your favourite pub burn down”

Tragic to see

carnute
135
4 days ago

here in the states we say "it's like watching your favorite McDonalds burn down"

absolutely horrific

JeremyHillaryBoob
34
4 days ago

I think the real American equivalent would be watching Disneyland burn down

Milksteak_To_Go
46
4 days ago

...or maybe watching the two tallest towers in New York burn down?

therinlahhan
15
4 days ago

Not even close to comparable. Thousands of people died at 9/11 and it was a malicious act of terrorism. This looks like an accident with no fatalities.

Ikea_Man
9
4 days ago

yeah 9/11 is a really weird comparison. i guess both involve burning buildings, but that's about it.

otherwise it was a coordinated attack vs. an electrical fire in a historical building. not really the same.

SHOWTIME316
5
4 days ago

Yeah people seem to be forgetting that America already what basically amounts to their equivalent of this occur except a shitload of people died.

SourV
9
4 days ago

Not only did a shit load of people died but it changed politics forever.

YT-Deliveries
8
4 days ago

I think about this a lot, especially in combination of the shitshow that was Bush v Gore. The post-9/11 landscape would be very different, I believe, if Gore had won (as it seems he should have).

SuicideBonger
7
4 days ago

Half of us don't even own guns.

nanoman92
67
4 days ago

A good chunk of it (the part that it seems to be burning actually) it's from the 19th century. It was restored then and it can be again. Let's hope only that part gets damaged :/

shrekinator
9
4 days ago

The spire, which was original, just collapsed.

Edit: not original! Makes me feel a tad better on this sad day.

V1ld0r_
27
4 days ago

Original from the 19th century =) http://www.notredamedeparis.fr/friends/the-spire/

RJHSquared
8
4 days ago

The spire was not original

ego_non
7
4 days ago

It wasn't original, it's a Viollet-le-Duc special. That guy had very warped ideas about Notre-Dame.

UsefullSpoon
690
4 days ago

I think it’s done for unfortunately.

SpaghettiNinja_
569
4 days ago

The structure seems utterly destroyed. The ribs of the ceiling are collapsing one by one

clown-penisdotfart
614
4 days ago

I'm certain that no matter what it will be rebuilt.

moby323
569
4 days ago

Unfortunately the same can’t be said for the hundreds of pieces of art and history housed there.

Ypallage
472
4 days ago

Spokesperson said that the most valuable pieces are stored in the sacristy and should be safe.

moby323
253
4 days ago

Well anything saved is a little bit of solace

Anrende
111
4 days ago

and the crown of thorns has been saved too

a9p6
53
4 days ago

Holy shit TIL they actually still have the crown of thorns?

snowqt
72
4 days ago

It's not the real one, just a relic.

lee1026
15
4 days ago

Well, alleged crown of thorns. No one can prove if it is real or fake, but the object in question have been alleged to be the real thing since the 4th century with many people fighting over it, so at a minimum, it is a very historically important artifact.

BootAssMcBootFace
7
4 days ago

They have a small piece of it

AndyGHK
7
4 days ago

Valuable by what measure, though? No offense to you or anything but I think I’d argue really anything of that age is immensely valuable.

DramaticPapayaEater
31
4 days ago

Historical and cultural value

Ypallage
10
4 days ago

The crown of thorns is stored there.

Nilsneo
22
4 days ago

Someone said that the bronze sculptures that usually are on the spire had been removed thanks to the renovation being undertaken so it's possible that these are saved as well.

clown-penisdotfart
9
4 days ago

Counterpoint: they could use this as an opportunity to excavate and do an archaellogical-grade investigation of what laid beneath. That could be very interesting and we could learn a lot.

BaijuTofu
6
4 days ago

It's so beautiful inside with all the stained glass windows.

DrBoomkin
196
4 days ago

I remember reading about all those massive historic monuments that were destroyed by fire throughout the ages, and thinking there is no way this could happen today. Looks like I was wrong...

SEND_ME_SHEEP
43
4 days ago

Yes, it has happened twice now (Rio) in the span of just a year.

TheLostWhisper
10
4 days ago

Fire is actually very much a threat even today. It is just one of those things that requires some physical solution and yet physical access to it is limited. On top of that, no fire department is ready or equipped to fight something of this size except maybe a few in the US that specifically put measures in place after 911.

snowqt
6
4 days ago

Fire and old buildings don't go well with each other.

liptonreddit
68
4 days ago

Can't rebuild 800 years of history.

clown-penisdotfart
39
4 days ago

If you start now, you sure can within 800 years.

And the history isn't gone - this is a part of the history of it now. Everyone is taking such a nihilist approach to this.

gunofnuts
6
4 days ago

Because the original strucutre is completely destroyed maybe?

BrickMacklin
19
4 days ago

The spire wasn't original for what it's worth.

clown-penisdotfart
14
4 days ago

What's the original structure? Have you seen the actual original structure?

Sophrosynic
8
4 days ago

It has burned twice before.

tinus42
7
4 days ago

And the Church of Christ the Saviour in Moscow (which was dynamited by Stalin in the 1930s), it was rebuilt during the 90s and opened in 2000. You wouldn't tell that it's a building that is only 20 years old.

skinnycomas
8
4 days ago

Warsaw too. Roughly 95% of that city was destroyed and they rebuilt brick for brick (or as close as they could get).

orthoxerox
12
4 days ago

Do you have to? You can build a new spire, go from neo-Gothic to raygun Gothic. Haussmann demolished half of Paris, Eiffel built an iron A in the middle of the city, people will learn to love the new gleaming steel spire.

Squadallah11
12
4 days ago

It has been before. Was totally trashed during the french revolution

clown-penisdotfart
17
4 days ago

One of my favorite cities in Germany is Dresden. Firebombed to smithereens almost 80 years ago, now rebuilt and gorgeous. That it was rebuilt doesn't make it less gorgeous. It doesn't take away from the history. You already see people in this thread referring to the Frauenkirche and how it's destruction and reconstruction are a part of its history. 20, 30 years from now - tops - we will think about Notre Dame the same way. I'm sure of it.

SpaghettiNinja_
8
4 days ago

I really hope so. A rebuilt building tends to lose a bit of its magic compared to seeing something original but the alternative is definitely not an option worth considering.

clown-penisdotfart
24
4 days ago

Guys, be optimistic! Take a positive approach - watch in amazement while it is being reconstructed and think of how it shows that we care about something. Think about what that means for the human condition. We will all die someday. Our cities will crumble. Humanity some day will end. But that day isn't today, and we are going to rebuild this because we want to and we can. Because we care.

And for me, in this cynical, jaded, often terrible world, those are the signs to me that yeah we are kind of an ok species and not everyone and everything is terrible.

And then 400 years later, people will marvel about how we (back in a relative Stone Age) rebuilt this.

SpaghettiNinja_
8
4 days ago

10/10 attitude /u/clown-penisdotfart - well put

born_to_be_intj
105
4 days ago

This is a sad day for the modern world...

moby323
98
4 days ago

And even if they managed to extinguish the fire, the water itself (thousands of gallons) does damage as well.

southernfriedcrazy
36
4 days ago

I work in fire restoration and this is more true than most people realize. The soot will also do massive damage to content, even when the fire is relatively small.

PyrokudaReformed
9
4 days ago

Is the soot somewhat chemically reactive so it damages organic surfaces? Also it can be tar too?

LupineChemist
16
4 days ago

During Holy Week no less.

hypnotoad94
9
4 days ago

It's not about religion, this is the loss for the whole world. Probably the biggest cultural loss in decades

ConcernedJo
59
4 days ago

this is so terrible

DonGarnelos
53
4 days ago

It hurts to watch; I hope the front towers survive

SpaghettiNinja_
7
4 days ago

You Parisians have had way too much crap to deal with lately - at this point we can only cross our fingers hoping there are no fatalities

cookiepizza54
254
4 days ago

Absolutely horrible. I’m sick to my stomach, so much history just lost. I hope they can salvage the artwork and relics.

coldmail750
53
4 days ago

My heart hurts just thinking about all the art inside.

Chinuah_
1749
4 days ago

That's so incredibly tragic. One of the finest architechtural monuments in Europe.

GoatBoatToad
383
4 days ago

It is made of stone and restoration will surely happen.

FiveDaysLate
813
4 days ago

Of course, but the art work and the original stonework lost is a tragedy. Much of the glass will be lost. There's a time to say let's move on, but now it's okay to be sad.

E: thanks for the gold kind stranger. Yay for art, history, and emotional intelligence!

MunkSWE94
183
4 days ago

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't they replace the glass more than twice during the french revolution of 1790's and 1848 ?

Vaerstingen
156
4 days ago

The glasswork is from the peak period of this type of artwork, around 1200 AD. The structure of the glass is unique, and will be hard to restore to how it was. Also the the artwork is put together by thousand of small glass pieces which was painted around the same time. It was put together with lead. Since the glass is painted it doesn’t deal with heat, and lead itself melts at “low” temperature. What makes the rose windows unique is that is has been through all kind of weather and particles in the past 800 years, so the colors have this special color. Also the limestone have withstood the ravages of time, which have effected its color. Same goes for the special Grey color of the roof, and the sculptures in and around the Notre-Dame.

But for your question, yeah, they replaced them in the 19th century and some earlier, but they contain medieval and 19th century glass. Still unique glass and hard to replicate

SpaceJackRabbit
7
4 days ago

Neglect played a big role too.

Jabbam
86
4 days ago

They've probably 3D mapped the entire building. It can be reconstructed down to the finest detail.

maury587
76
4 days ago

They even have it 3d mapped in AC unity

tperelli
27
4 days ago

Wouldn’t it be crazy if they used that data to rebuild?

Dadwellington
26
4 days ago

GAMERS, RISE UP and help restore this beautiful Boi

Tendoris
12
4 days ago

One person, Caroline Miousse, work on it during two whole year she did a pretty good job on it.

Taur-e-Ndaedelos
12
4 days ago

While that is incredibly impressive she must be damn sick of that church now.

I can see her secretly celebrating somewhere downing a glass of wine.

N0rthWind
16
4 days ago

That's not the point. The parts of the original that are destroyed can never come back. A replica is nice to look at, but it's not the real thing. It bears no history, only a likeness to a historical building.

scopa0304
40
4 days ago

I think it's 100% appropriate to be sad that this building burned down. However, throughout human history, large wooden structures have burned down and been rebuilt. They will rebuild it, and in 2119 people will go to the cathedral and read the plaque about how the entire thing was destroyed in a fire a hundred years ago. I don't think anyone will consider it a "likeness to a historical building" or that "it has no history."

In japan, you go visit the castles, and almost every one has a timeline showing when it burned down. Some castles burned down more than once!

They will rebuild and it will be fine. Future generations will still appreciate the architecture and ingenuity that went into it's construction, both original and restoration.

N0rthWind
19
4 days ago

Eastern culture generally has always had a more "as long as it's there today it's fine, doesn't matter if it's a replica or reconstruction".

Western culture traditionally places a lot more value in the originality of an architectural monument. Rebuilding such a huge piece of international heritage simply is not the same as conserving the original from the 13th century.

scopa0304
6
4 days ago

I won't disagree with this statement "is not the same as conserving the original from the 13th century." I would just say that the reconstruction won't be worthless either.

InfamousWheel
211
4 days ago

Aw that's really depressing to watch. I wish I had had a chance to visit it as an adult rather than vague memories as a child.

Edit: The spire just collapsed :(

ahornsirup
157
4 days ago

At least you got to see it. I skipped Notre Dame when I was in Paris, it was ridiculously crowded and I figured fuck it, I'll come back one day.

Empyrealist
39
4 days ago

I said the same once about the twin towers in NYC. :-(

I remember the first time I visited Notre Dame and it was mostly lit by candlelight and was extremely dark/dim inside. The last time I went last within the past year, and it was so well lit and bright inside that I was astonished at how much more was visible inside.

This is such a tragedy.

camwow13
6
4 days ago

Notre Dame is on Google Street View at least!

Here's a link to one pan some guy made

Unfortunately it looks like nobody did a proper run through with a proper 360 panorama setup so you have to look at random tourist shots of various quality, but at least it's there.

Glad Google at least got to the Museu Nacional Brazil before that got torched last year too. Making virtual tours is important.

Blesevin
142
4 days ago

Well said... York Minster survived three massive fires in less than 200 years, two of them within 20 years of one another, the third as recent as the 1980s. It's heartbreaking to behold but cathedrals can be saved, they can be restored to their former glory.

This is devastating to watch and God only knows how much history may be lost in the process... but if the Frauenkirche and York Minster can rise from the ashes a building as iconic and beloved as Notre Dame certainly can.

TSmotherfuckinA
8
4 days ago

What led to those fires?

Blesevin
21
4 days ago

The first one, in 1829, was actually an arson attack by an insane local man called Jonathan Martin. Martin was a nonconformist Protestant with a fanatical hatred of the Church of England, and had previous form for trying to assassinate the Bishop of Oxford. He'd actually threatened to burn the Minster down on previous occasions via anonymous notes which, somewhat foolishly, contained his address.

The second fire, in the 1840s, was actually an accident caused by someone leaving a lamp burning. Ironically this may have been someone helping repair the damage of the 1829 fire.

Nobody is entirely certain what caused the 1984 fire, but the most commonly accepted theory is that a lightning bolt struck an electrical box somewhere on the roof of the south transept in a particularly hot summer. At the time there was a lot of talk in the papers about it being "divine retribution" - a few days earlier Dr David Jenkins, a rather controversial cleric with somewhat agnostic views - had been consecrated Bishop of Durham there.

EDIT: A quick google search has brought up another fire at York in 1753, like the 1984 one, focused on the South Transept.

thermitethrowaway
7
4 days ago

a few days earlier Dr David Jenkins, a rather controversial cleric with somewhat agnostic views - had been consecrated Bishop of Durham there.

This was pointed out as an "act of God" by some of the more loony quarters. David Jenkins (who visited my college in Durham 8 years later) joked that "if it was that, then god's aim is off and his timing is terrible". Then his crozier slipped with a crash where he had lent it against the chapel wall - without batting an eyelid he said "well, that's me suitability chastened I suppose".

He was well liked in the Durham Diocese, largely because of his work helping the miner suffering poverty during the strike.

DrZomboo
7
4 days ago

Yeah I immediately thought of the York Minster fire after this news, especially with the front face being similarish in style to Notre Dame.

That old stone is surprisingly resilient and I'm sure the bulk of it will survive despite the spire collapsing

blolfighter
113
4 days ago

While we're talking about bombed German churches, I think the remains of St. Nikolai in Hamburg are very poignant.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Nikolaikirche001.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Hamburg_StNikolai_Panorama.jpg

ZebrasGonnaZeb
36
4 days ago

Oh hey I was there yesterday. Nikolai is a bit different though, as it was hit with high explosives to bust the stone exterior and then incendiary to burn it out

BlobvisLaurens
6
4 days ago

wait, it was destroyed on purpose?

ZebrasGonnaZeb
17
4 days ago

No no. It was bombed by the allies during WW2. In the museum portion, there was an exhibit that explained that the allies would drop high explosives to open up the stone exteriors of buildings, and then use incendiary bombs to burn them out. And that the undetonated high explosives are the bombs they still find around here to this day.

BlobvisLaurens
11
4 days ago

Man these allies sound like dicks, they were the bad guys right?

Owning-the-Libs
16
4 days ago

In war there are no good guys. Just various degrees of bad.

Kirrod
34
4 days ago

A burn out usually means complete damage. No saving of the buildings. Even stone gets structurally damaged during intense fires.

Macempty
319
4 days ago

The spire just collapsed 😢

Hotzspot
45
4 days ago

Hoping they can restore it

Tewks44
153
4 days ago

At this point I think “rebuild” would be a more accurate way to put it.

CharlieDancey
10
4 days ago

The French are bold and brave with architecture, and after Notre Dame is reduced to a ruin (as it seems it will be) and after they have finished mourning the loss, they'll do something amazing with it.

My guess is that they won't restore it to its former state (as we Brits probably would) but they'll put something new into the remains of the old.

Let's check back in 10 years time and see if I'm right.

PrimeMinisterMay
21
4 days ago

My guess is that they won't restore it to its former state (as we Brits probably would) but they'll put something new into the remains of the old.

I really hope they just choose to rebuild it as it was. So many of these projects to restore old buildings with added wacky modernist architecture just end up ruining the original building.

hypnotoad94
14
4 days ago

This is a cultural icon. I love modern architecture and a brave approach to restoring things. But in 10 years time I'd still love to see people reading Hugo and being able to actually see the place he was writing about

HulkHunter
52
4 days ago

If the central Cross is damaged, it will collapse for sure. I'm absolutely devastated...

Elissa_of_Carthage
40
4 days ago

I'm not even French and I can't stop crying. It's incredibly sad.

Raz0rking
526
4 days ago

You do not need to be religious to apreciate architecture.

actually_crazy_irl
223
4 days ago

I was deeply atheist before setting a foot inside Cologne Cathedral. I stepped outside thinking "if there is a god, it must be the god of art and beauty".

The beauty of work created by human hands, channelled by pure love of what they do, that is sacred regardless of faith. Many hands and much faith went into building the cathedral, and the burning of it is a great loss.

Tatis_Chief
96
4 days ago

I am happy atheist but I freaking love churches. I will enter every single one that is historical landmark, because it is that for a reason. It has history, its been there all those centuries, it is work of art. Notre Dame was that, I spend long time inside just watching and studying the roof, the stained windows, the statues.

Its possibly the second most iconic church in the world, after Saint Peters. Its dominant of centre of Paris. This is disaster for everyone, whether you are christian or not.

gniknosmirceht
5
4 days ago

Artists work for money, like any other profession. Church was where artists can make money for a long time.

TheRealJasonsson
6
4 days ago

I wouldn't blame him. Having a bratwurst cart on every corner was one of the nice luxuries I've seen when I was in Bremen/Hamburg/Cologne

Crockett62
9
4 days ago

You were not deeply atheist if a building managed to convert you

dick_wool
6
4 days ago

You do not need to be religious to apreciate architecture.

Not just architecture, but many priceless paintings and artwork were inside too!

This is absolutely horrible!

iwqa
21
4 days ago

That looks really bad. So sad

pogmoshron
15
4 days ago

Oh my gosh. I'm almost in tears watching this.

Panukka
63
4 days ago

Jeez, you don't have to write any disclaimers about religion in your comment.

You either appreciate history and our cultural heritage, or you don't. Nothing else is really relevant here.

Honestly, history being/getting destroyed hits me harder than pretty much anything else, my evening is ruined.

Raz0rking
23
4 days ago

exactly. I am atheist too and still went to visit the dome in Cologne and its treasurery.

Both ARE invaluable sociological and historical treasures. It would be a absolute catastrophy if these thing were lost.

F1MV
81
4 days ago

Religion or no relegion, we should treasure these remaining pieces of human history.

MobiusF117
29
4 days ago

I absolutely agree.

It pains me to see this piece of history go up in smoke...

NabulioneBuonaparte
34
4 days ago

This very cathedral was dedicated to the "Cult of Reason" during the Revolution so people could worship at the 'altar of liberty'. These places are iconic for the history they represent, not the gospel preached in them. I really hope it will come out in a saveable state, I absolutely adore Paris and its architecture.

GreatRolmops
10
4 days ago

They are not just iconic as historical buildings though, they are still iconic religious symbols too. Atheists may not care about that, but for many Christians, and especially for Catholics, buildings like the Notre Dame are incredibly important. They are symbols of faith that link the Christians of the past to the Christians of the present, and given how incredibly costly these structures were to build once they are also a testament to how much the people of the past were willing to give for their fate. Not to mention it is full of treasured religious art as well.

Ariadnepyanfar
24
4 days ago

Australian here, I’m desolated this has happened. I didn’t know how attached I am to Notre Dame as a world monument. I hope the restorations go really well, although of course it will never be the same again.

My only consolation is how often old cathedrals like this are rebuilt over the centuries. Still, it is such a loss to lose what is original.

shrekinator
11
4 days ago

This is making me emotional. So godamn sad.

Edit: look like the spire is gone. Fucking cant believe it

hacksteak
668
4 days ago

A lot of priceless history will be lost today. It's a truly sad day for Paris, France, Europe and the world.

Estelindis
256
4 days ago

I cannot believe it. I lived in Paris for a year and volunteered in this cathedral one afternoon a week, explaining the religious meaning of the carvings to tourists. It's an absolutely iconic part of Paris. It's gutting to watch it burn.

-ah
45
4 days ago

I've walked around it and sat outside, but never went in (lots of people, it seems like I only visit Paris when it's gloriously sunny etc..). I'm really regretting that at this point. It's gutting to see the images of it burning, it must be even harder for those who are closer, for whom it is a staple of every day life, and who can't do a thing to stop it.

Estelindis
14
4 days ago

Yeah, queues were always pretty long. I got to skip them as a volunteer, but I can see how they would make plenty of people postpone their visit. Now I'm sure plenty of people who waited for later are feeling regret. As sad as this is for us, the pain Parisians must be experiencing right now is unspeakable.

vokegaf
462
4 days ago

I hope that someone 3d-scanned the thing before now.

I also hope that this was not arson.

EDIT:

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/notre-dame-de-paris-facade-3dscan-474be168ec894ab8b4c92fb6dfd303a6

We scanned the beautiful facade & sculptures of “Notre Dame de Paris” cathedral for the #RCforculture challenge.

Laser Scanning Reveals Cathedral’s Mysteries | National Geographic

Holiday snapshots used to model the world in 3D

Looks like 3d imaging it has actually been a thing. So at least there are backups of the original.

M2Ys4U
244
4 days ago

Even without 3D scanning, one has to assume it's one of the most photographed buildings in Europe. There'd be plenty of data to construct a 3D model from.

throwawaypaycheck1
43
4 days ago

If there is a silver lining here, this is probably it.

PerviouslyInER
10
4 days ago
RabidGuillotine
167
4 days ago

There are tons of architectural studies on it, so it can be rebuild.

trinitronbxb
59
4 days ago

It is mostly made of stone, so there will be lots of it left once the flames die down. It will probably be in a much better state than many Central European churches in 1945. With some effort, it will look like new in a few years.

vokegaf
41
4 days ago

With some effort, it will look like new in a few years.

Someone can make something that has the same surface appearance in a few years, maybe.

I do not think that it would be reduced to just a few years if one rebuilds with the same techniques, though, and some of what's neat about it was the time investment in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris

The cathedral was begun in 1160 and largely completed by 1260.

I guess nobody would object to, say, use of modern cranes…

RIOTS_R_US
21
4 days ago

It's been restored several times though

porkchop487
8
4 days ago

Restored is not the same as rebuilt. It has never been demolished nearly to this extent before

helendill99
36
4 days ago

It’s one of the oldest and most recognizable building in Paris. Even if they hadn’t done a 3D image, you could probably just reconstruct one from tourist pictures.

Green_spy
9
4 days ago

It was also painstakingly recreated in Assassin's Creed Unity as accurately as possible. https://www.polygon.com/2014/10/6/6922185/assassins-creed-unity-notre-dame

daftjedi
6
4 days ago

This is the reason I feel a connection to it, so many missions had Arno going there

Creator13
6
4 days ago

Doesn't that sound crazy? It's 2019 now and we have backups of 900 year old buildings. We have stored a building built dozens of generations ago on a couple of hard drives so that we can rebuild it. What must those construction workers and artists back in that day think of this?

chairswinger
364
4 days ago

Damn, but I'm sure it can be rebuilt, we have hundreds, probably thousands of bombed and burned out churches and Cathedrals after the world wars that got rebuilt.

still sucks obviously

CrimsonToucan
125
4 days ago

There definitely will be plans for its restoration, but sadly all those original artworks and architectural pieces destroyed in the fire can't be replaced. The fragments of history that will be lost is a travesty.

CustosClavium
48
4 days ago

The relics were still inside as well - these are the physical remains of saints. This is a tragedy for Catholics worldwide as well as Europeans.

onespiker
38
4 days ago

We are parcly lucky that they actually removed a lot of them before hand for the renorvations.

jollyger
33
4 days ago

I've been listening to this livestream and they claim all the art and relics were saved.

CustosClavium
8
4 days ago

I hope so!

Sinful_Life089
16
4 days ago

The cathedral can be rebuilt, but the art in it and on the walls (850yrs old) will be lost

blue_strat
94
4 days ago

Sacrebleu.

FoxtrotDelta150
70
4 days ago

I bet you there is a group of firefighters that have it in their response area, and for years they have been talking about the big one, and today is that fucking day.

Theres always those buildings in your area you hope and pray never catch fire due to their construction, I can make a safe assumption that they all felt this way about that building.

Fighting fire in buildings that are a 100 years old can be crazy, let alone 1100 years old. Fuck that noise.

DrZomboo
9
4 days ago

Yeah I imagine fighting fires in old buildings like this is especially unpredictable and dangerous. Whilst I hope they can save as much as possible I hope no lives are lost doing it.

I have seen that a common 19th century technique for restoring old stone work on cathedrals like this was to patch it with stone threaded iron; the iron then rusts and expands over time making the stone crumble to the touch in places.

Bekoni
6
4 days ago

Imagine a burning historical library and trying to extinguish a fire there, knowing that every bit of water you use to extinguish the fire is itself killing books.

oh-my
181
4 days ago

I'm literally sitting here, watching CNN in disbelief. How the hell this happened?!

It cannot be replaced. We are losing something priceless today.

bogdoomy
96
4 days ago

a large part of it was replaced in the 19th century. i’d be surprised if the fire actually reached any of the 850 yr old stones - mainly because there arent really a lot of them

Suburbsarecancer
36
4 days ago

I saw that tower from upclose and it was so detailed and architecturally complex i wonder how they are gonna manage to rebuild it. It was made by skilled labours from 200 years ago.

  • just read it was acutally built almost 400 years ago, and made in large part by hands, even worse!
DrZomboo
24
4 days ago

But with dedication and skill you can replicate it. I live in York and the York Minster is under an ongoing restoration due to weathering and the age of the stonework. They have a incredibly skillful team of stonemasons that have restored it very faithfully. It takes decades but it can be done. https://youtu.be/VlrC9uaNv0E

montarion
6
4 days ago

It's hardly a lost art is it? we still have architects and skilled labourers, with the added bonus of modern technology.

cosinus25
302
4 days ago

Because the news needs to verify it first and research some background info while redditors just post it, even if it turns out later that it's completely wrong. Remember when reddit thought they found the Boston bomber?

stickitmachine
164
4 days ago

Well a fire is pretty easily verifiable

jtlarousse
103
4 days ago

veryfireable?

MillionEgg
12
4 days ago

I see you 🔼

kotkaiser
26
4 days ago

If you zoom in on the picture, you can see some suspicious man leaving the scene with what appears to be fuel canisters. Get at it reddit. Do your thing.

hoopstick
5
4 days ago
Sovereign2142
26
4 days ago

I just got a push notification from the Washington Post at 13:21 East Coast time before heading here to see if anyone submitted it. The news isn't that much slower than Reddit.

maxl0412
9
4 days ago

yeah you are right but still a burning building is pretty obvious. Auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn.

Baconlightning
6
4 days ago

VG (largest newspaper in Norway) posted the news before OP

Not_Cleaver
7
4 days ago

I was busy at work. The BBC news alert on my phone was a complete shock.

stressedalmostwriter
243
4 days ago

Oh my god, I am not French nor religious, but I have goosebumps right now. I hope and pray that the firefighters can save it, the Notre Dame cathedral is one of the greatest cultural and architectural works not only in France or Europe, but dare I say it the world. A beautiful 850-year-old Gothic building going up in flames...

AnAverageWanker
93
4 days ago

They will rebuild it, it's not the problem - the actual notre dame has been rebuilt and built over a lot of times

It's what inside that bothers me

Tsaibatsu
25
4 days ago

I think the french revolution left it pretty naked inside

Rbespinosa13
7
4 days ago

Many artifacts and items may have been lost but there are many things that were literally part of the structure of the church. I haven’t been to Notre Dame but I’ve been to many comparable cathedrals. In most cathedrals literally every part of the church is an example of something or symbolic. It’s a shame that this happened

888mphour
79
4 days ago

I'm an atheist and all these "I'm not French nor religious" are getting on my nerves. Like, do you need to be an Egyptian Osiris-worshipper to love the pyramids or an Ican Viracocha-worshipper to love Machu-picchu?

Knutt_Bustley
15
4 days ago

Exactly. This building transcends labels like that. It's a part of our world history now. This is a human tragedy as much as it is a religious one

eckoze
224
4 days ago

I'm devastated. Went on my balcony to smoke one and saw this...

Here is 7 pics i took of how quickly it evolved (less than an hour): https://imgur.com/a/LVzSGKz

Jorgwalther
44
4 days ago

Those photos are crazy, thanks for posting

PM_ME_YOUR_CODING
19
4 days ago

Can you Update with pictures?

eckoze
49
4 days ago

Sure. Here is one from 5min ago: https://imgur.com/a/Fps6IQw

apocolyptictodd
90
4 days ago

If we can rebuild Munich after World War II we can rebuild a cathedral.

RanaktheGreen
64
4 days ago

You'd be surprised how difficult intricate stonework is to reproduce, even with (or perhaps especially because of) modern techniques.

inquirer
21
4 days ago

The Dark Ages aren't a real thing. It's a myth that there was ever such a thing, and this was built after that period anyway

Argyrius
150
4 days ago

This is so surreal, huge fire in one of those places you just assume is always there

KindergartenCunt
10
4 days ago

one of those places you just assume is always there

That's what makes it so heartbreaking.

Nilsneo
82
4 days ago

Yes, it's massive. Traffic is stopping to watch in shock.

JaimePas
48
4 days ago

Traffic is stopping to watch in shock.

Macron has postponed his tonight TV speech

Duke0fWellington
32
4 days ago

Fucking hell it looked bad enough on the BBC news picture I saw. This is terrible, surely the building is lost?

KonaAddict
24
4 days ago

Not sure, but it seems that its only the "attic" area that is on fire for now.

Catastrophic in either case.

Edit: Apparently the fall of the spire spread the fire to the entire interior.

yakovgolyadkin
17
4 days ago

The majority of the structure is stone, so the towers and the sides should survive, but the roof and interior is lost.

ColourFox
11
4 days ago

Holy shit, I hope it isn't as bad as it looks ...

Anne1407
41
4 days ago

I'm no expert but looking at the twitter pictures and videos, I fear it's worse than it looks.

WatteOrk
9
4 days ago

looks like the whole roof will come down any moment.

Thats a terrible fire

OnlyOneFunkyFish
43
4 days ago

Wtf? There are poeple like that? I mean, no matter if you're catholic, atheist, muslim, chinese, american, sudanese, whatever, there are some things that everyone respects... This isn't just some cathedral, this is an architectual marvel. I was so stunned when I saw it in person because I really didn't expect its greatness to be so big.

Also, how the fuck do you let this thing happen? Someone could've smell the smoke for sure. Or if you're working on a such important piece of history, you pay special attention to EVERYTHING you do. Whoever is responsible for this is a really really dumb lazy asshole. Heck, if you asked me, I'd charge the whole company for the damages they've done.

HEV_tux
32
4 days ago

there are some things that everyone respects

This isn't true at all. Nothing is sacred to everyone, i'm sure there are millions across the world who will be celebrating this due to religious/political/nihilistic reasons.

Chubspappy
7
4 days ago

I'd charge the whole company

Yeah, I'm gonna go right ahead and assume that noone is gonna want to hire them after this anyway, if they are responsible for it.

PennyForYerThots
35
4 days ago

Good reason to delete fb

KaiserIceberg
16
4 days ago

There are people laughing about it?!

wanikiyaPR
8
4 days ago

Yeah, it took me by surprise too... 800+ years of skill, vision and architectural prowess of human race, up in smoke, and some nimrods are laughing about it...

Nilsneo
201
4 days ago

There's some construction/renovation going on in it, but I can only guess if anything in that was involved. No clear updates on news sites yet.

Video here shows a rather dramatic amount of smoke and flames: https://twitter.com/Solwii/status/1117838050342645760

astrosarcastic
151
4 days ago

Botched renovations in inflammable environments is an unfortunately frequent source of fires

Erratic85
59
4 days ago

Indeed.

Liceu opera house in Barcelona burned in 1994 due to (allegedly) a welding spark.

french_violist
14
4 days ago

Or the Cutty Sark in Greenwich due to vacuum cleaner that was not switched off. The list goes on. I hope they will save a lot of the artefacts and be able to rebuild it.

Edit: Cutty got corrected to curry somehow...

Edit2: switched OFF!

BanksysBro
92
4 days ago
Meior
70
4 days ago

Well that's unfuriating. I mean, accidents happen, of course. But when working on something like this... Perhaps it's better to check 8-9-10 times before doing shit to make sure you don't burn 850 years of history.

GearBrain
88
4 days ago

As horrible and tragic as this is, in terms of a loss of priceless cultural artifacts, I think if I had to choose between this being the result of renovation accident, or intentionally set, I would much rather it be the former and not the latter.

Good god, can you imagine the riots if it were revealed to have been intentionally set? By anyone?

TomSwirly
14
4 days ago

My thoughts exactly. Had it been terrorism... I don't even want to think about it.

Owatch
17
4 days ago

Perhaps we will later find a "TIFU when I burned down Notre Dame"

Raz0rking
46
4 days ago

well, seems they won't be out of work any time soon :/

Byzii
12
4 days ago

It looks like the building will completely collapse, they're not even going to try to put the fire out. So I don't think they'll be in business much longer.

Raz0rking
15
4 days ago

I doubt they wont reconstruct.

CadabraAbrogate
8
4 days ago

I doubt they'd hire the same people back lmao

addoyou2
23
4 days ago

I want to add to this story that the stone/masionary (vault) in European churches are often as thin as possible. A thickness (on the top of the vault) around 10cm (4 inches) is not uncommon in western European churches. These vaults are the visible sealing of the church and not meant to carry anything. People told me more than once that if you would stand on a bad place on the arc you just fall through it. To make it more critical: If one part of the arc misses the entire vault (what in essence just a 3d arcis) can fall.

The wooden roof structure is meant to keep the weather (rain, wind, snow) away from those fragile vaults. At this moment is most of the roof burned. The burning coal lies on top of the arc. That here is some extra coal laying that arc is not great but stone doesn't melt easy.

I'll give my personal opinion as a structural engineer on the 3 most heard opinions that I heard:

Why don't the French throw a lot of water with a helicopter on top of the church to stop the fire?

A: The water is so heavy that the impact from the falling water on the arcs will let it collapse imidiately. At that point the Notre Dame is gone and you can start designing a new church.

Why isn't there a lot more water being put on the roof?

A: The fire is just not stoppable, the fire will burn all the wood. The philosophy used is: If there is no wood and coal left at that point the fire will stop. Extreme amounts of water only adds more stress on the arcs. Huge temperature changes can even break the bricks in the arc. The last reason is: A lot of the paintings on the inside of the church are made on the plaster on the arcs and walls. If there isn't anything left to burn why would you damage the rest of the church? Just to get a nice publicity on your spraying power? I expect that the primary focus was to get all the art out of the church as fast as possible and try to keep as much as possible from the interior intact.

How can a fire “start” after working hours?

A: Sometimes with (for example) lead or bitumen repairs you need a high temperature to use it. Normally a big part of wood doesn't catch fire. If the wood catches fire underneath the part you were repairing there are many problems: you just don't see the fire so it can take quite a wile until you notice it. Extinguishing a fire under a cover of that sheet of metal/bitumen is also almost impossible. So it can acts like the start of a forest fire: a fire starts really small, it can hide under the ground for a long period and it can accelerate immensely. This doesn't exclude any other origin of the fire but fires during renovation have happened before with other churches.

Parabellum8g
6
4 days ago

Great comment: thanks for sharing your insights with everyone here.

What you think, of you look at this picture from the fire (from above)?

Wrkncacnter112
13
4 days ago

That photo is truly horrifying.

But happily, I think it is “good news” as far as it goes. It looks like the ceiling vault is intact! This is really excellent. The glowing globs you see are probably molten lead from the roof. It looks like it’s pooled on top of the ceiling vault and mostly hasn’t gone down into the actual interior!

We still cant see the north rose, but the south rose looks like it might be in perfect condition; there isn’t even any light coming through it, which would potentially indicate that there’s nothing molten or burning behind it.

It’s hard to tell what the blank circle to the left of the transept is; maybe that’s where the spire fell onto and it broke a hole into the nave. If it did, it doesn’t look like a huge hole. Mostly would’ve just crushed random chairs.

We still need to see about the north rose, but so far this appears to be roof-focused damage. They’ll need to put a covering over it ASAP and get that lead off, but the interior may be mostly intact!

Norington
46
4 days ago

Feels like a 'where were you when the notre dame burned down' moment

vokegaf
17
4 days ago

"Turns out everyone was on Reddit."

Tz33ntch
11
4 days ago

Surreal is the feeling; it's like in all the disaster/apocalypse movies they make a point of showing Notre Dame/Statue of Liberty/Vatican/etc. burning, except it's not a movie.

yeasayerstr
84
4 days ago

Sadly, this is one of the few instances where my first thoughts went to the building itself. Notre Dame is so beautiful and has so much history...I hope there are no casualties, but I also hope the cathedral can be salvaged.

KoperKat
73
4 days ago

It's a special kind of pain, even when accidental.

I remember getting far more upset over ISIS destroying archaeological sites than war victims. And then getting upset with myself.

ThisIsMyRental
12
4 days ago

To be fair the amount of war victims has always been so many it's easy to get fatigued and stop caring about them paramountly when stuff like ancient sites get destroyed. But ancient masterpieces and valuable archaeological sites, those haven't been quite so numerous, so the shock at seeing abuse/destruction of those can be quite a bit worse.

WhistlingDead
11
4 days ago

It was evacuated. People will be fine, but it's a tragedy nonetheless.

Dontcallmethenword
47
4 days ago

This is a nightmare.

Catholic Churches have been vandalised, burglarised and torched over the past months and nothing is being done to stop it. I hope people keep watch on their local churches to catch whoever’s doing this.

crannog_boi
21
4 days ago

Although it is still early, city officials have linked it to renovation works rather than arson or vandalism

CheffieIsDepressed
14
4 days ago

And yet people still deny that foul play is suspect in alot of fires in monuments.

builder3
9
4 days ago

It’s mostly open season on Catholics nowadays, so I just wanted to thank you for speaking up.

funciton
7
4 days ago

Looks like the vault is largely ok, I hope they can save it

Nilsneo
15
4 days ago

Wow, that's an amazing shot.

EuropeanFederation
43
4 days ago

Jesus fucking christ. That's one of the most important landmarks on our beautiful continent. Please say the firefighters aren't on strike.

umrath
12
4 days ago

Not even sure what the firefighters can do here.

Sarilho1
39
4 days ago

If you've just sorted by New, take my advice and walk back.

SirJebus
8
4 days ago

I just want you to know, I just switched to sort by new and I REFUSE to take your advice.

Tetizeraz
7
4 days ago

I wish I could do this.

HatefulHarmony
35
4 days ago

I want to cry, such an iconic building and one of the symbols of France and Europe as a whole. I hope they can save the artifacts inside and contain the flames to the roof. Many churches have lost their roofs in the past, the stonewalls will hopefully survive it. 🙏

DashingRainbow
33
4 days ago

The spire* collapsed, I'm crying

https://twitter.com/i/events/1117835898534543363

CustosClavium
35
4 days ago

I'm Catholic. This is devastating. This is my heritage. This is my culture. This is my history. All gone up in smoke. A lifetime to build, it's older than many countries, and it's utterly destroyed. God Bless France and her people - Catholic and non-Catholic - who are all suffering a great loss on some level.

-TheCWord
31
4 days ago

Can honestly say I had a little weep seeing this. Part of me knows why and part of me doesn't, a very odd feeling. For certain though it's a global loss of collective, nearly millennia old, human history and an achievement of beauty.

I very much hope the majority of it can be saved.

Vorphus
30
4 days ago

Words from the chief of Paris firefighters : "the structure is safe"

https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/1117893522936307715

La structure de Notre-Dame "est sauvée et préservée dans sa globalité" (pompiers) #AFP

https://twitter.com/EtienneBaldit/status/1117893122824888320

"On peut considérer que les deux tours du beffroi nord de #NotreDame sont sauvées. La structure de Notre-Dame est sauvée dans sa globalité", annonce le général des pompiers de Paris

ABoutDeSouffle
10
4 days ago

Hooray to the Pompiers de Paris!

Gurkenschurke66
8
4 days ago

god bless that's at least something. really don't want to swap with the firefighters on scene there. hope they're save and their fight will be rewarded.

Trumpologist
34
4 days ago

"Good news: all the works of art were saved. The treasure of the Cathedral is intact, the Crown of thorns, the Holy sacraments.

https://twitter.com/KoliaDelesalle/status/1117865987670364160

boredinlife9
26
4 days ago

Fuck a symbol of paris is burning

Byzii
38
4 days ago

Symbol of Europe more like it. This is a loss for all humanity, not just religious people or French or whatever.

Braegrmor
25
4 days ago

It's sad that my first thought is terrorism.

I_AM_ALWAYS_ANGRY
9
4 days ago

Not sad to think that considering that churces have been actively targeted over the past 2-3 months in france.

IDidTheReichstagFire
5
4 days ago

I completely agree. Before I heard about renovations, I suspected terrorists or yellow vests.

Braegrmor
20
4 days ago

Apparently churches have been vandalized a lot in France recently. My mind went to that.

EuropeanFederation
27
4 days ago

Incredibly brave Paris fire fighters now on upper parts of Notre Dame trying to bring inferno under control.

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1117853532076404736

Faransis
25
4 days ago

Terrible day for worlds cultural heritage. I'm so sad right now.

helmia
26
4 days ago

No no no no this can't be happening. What a fucking tragedy

aareanaa
24
4 days ago

I’m actually crying. Such a sad thing. I cannot wrap my mind around losing something like Notre Dame

oh-my
12
4 days ago

I feel you. I just did a batch of crying but I am feeling it coming again. This is just... i can't believe it's happening. It survived 8 centuries only to go down in flames on our watch.

aareanaa
5
4 days ago

Exactly! I feel so overwhelmed

lukeusmc
21
4 days ago

This gonna be way down a very active post but I just want to tell the French people that I’m sorry you lost so much today. I was lucky enough to visit once. National history is important and I hope you are able to restore the church.

matthieuC
23
4 days ago

White smoke is when they have decided on a new antipope ?

Oxartis
4
4 days ago

Tu te crois drôle ??

Thenateo
10
4 days ago

C'est un peut drole mais le mauvais moment

Pek-Man
18
4 days ago

As a massive history freak with a passion for churches, this is honestly affecting me way more than I could have ever imagined. And I've only ever seen it once too ... horrible, horrible images.

EuropeanFederation
18
4 days ago

BBC reporting that the main spire has collapsed

oh my fucking god

oh-my
17
4 days ago

A bit of good news: apparently, structure is saved!

BellenSchengel
17
4 days ago

Looks like the structure of the ceiling held.... this is good news..

Inside: https://twitter.com/areinaud/status/1117916691353067521

psiddy42
15
4 days ago

I visited it a few years ago. I'm not religious, but it's one of the most beautiful buildings I've ever seen. I do not want to see it fall.

moor7
14
4 days ago

They are propably trying to avoid spraying it with a lot of water to avoid further damage to objects kept inside. If they can contain the fire and let just the roof burn they can rebuild it. seems sort of hopeless though.

gromfe
18
4 days ago

From what i've heard one of the first thing the firefighters did was getting inside to get as much as pieces of art out as possible. There are countless paintings and centuries old pieces of art inside.

Boolouloubi
16
4 days ago

In addition to Notre Dame, hundreds of works of art and relics are in great danger.

As we speak the Crown of thorns could be a pile of ashes. It's as tragic as that.

Raphael1987
15
4 days ago

Is there a reason why there aren't helicopters putting out the fire?

PureOrangeJuche
67
4 days ago

You can't dump thousands of tons of water on a weakened structure. That only works for forest fires where you don't really care about the trees getting crushed. Water is very heavy.

collinsl02
15
4 days ago

BREAKING: reports from French officials now say one firefighter is seriously injured - BBC news

Nilsneo
13
4 days ago

aw shit, nooo. I saw from the live footage how they were up on the roof spraying water and it looked quite dangerous. Then the reporters said they were carrying out artefacts, they risked their lives for art and architectural history.

aluxnder
14
4 days ago

This is the devils version of 9/11

oh-my
17
4 days ago

If we're being honest here, this today gave me the same feeling as 9/11 back in the day. Dread and disbelief it could be real.

But I felt it would be in poor taste to compare the two since 9/11 was vastly bigger tragedy with many lives lost and even more with horrible consequences afterwards.

While Notre Dame is priceless as cultural and historic symbol, human lives are way more important. Hopefully no one loses life in this tragedy. It's horrible enough as is.

Both will be remembered as tragedies, but different in their nature.

busbythomas
13
4 days ago

That sucks. This is one of the greatest places I have ever be to.

McFaddenANDMorris
13
4 days ago

Man, I am holding back real tears right now, I literally felt pain in my gut when seeing the back tower fall.

JohnFriedly91
12
4 days ago

My heart is absolutely shattered. This is one of the finest monuments to european architecture and art, I feel completely hollow from seeing this.

SernyRanders
13
4 days ago

"Everything is burning, nothing will remain from the frame," Notre Dame spokesman Andre Finot.

https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter/status/1117854617235116032

:(

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4 days ago

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Sarilho1
12
4 days ago

I think we should give credit were credit is due to the firefighters and responsible authorities. The fact that the two towers were safe seems like a miracle.

juraj_is_better
13
4 days ago

Damn, this looks like it could come straight out of a movie. What a shame, let's hope no one is injured and the damage is repairable.

BellenSchengel
10
4 days ago

Holy shit... look at around 16min .... thats doesn't look too good

soffenaa
11
4 days ago

Oh no, this is terrible. A lot of history going up in flames. I'm not religious but this physically hurts to watch, looks like it's going to be totalled.

ThePr1d3
13
4 days ago

Fucking hell I literally live 20 min away for there. So weird to see that on fire

kar86
12
4 days ago

Where do I donate for the restauration?

Thor1138
13
4 days ago

God, this makes me sad. It's literal history, reminds me of when ISIS destroyed parts of those Babylonian (?) temples, just feels like a piece of human history dying... if this was arson, fuck whoever did this!

Drwam-MLB
13
4 days ago

The fire is huge... it won't get restored in our lifespan, and that's assuming that they stop the fire in time for it to be restorable.

Whoever here that hasn't already seen Notre Dame in person, won't get to see it as it was. That includes me...

It has survived wars and revolts. And now it could be gone forever thanks to some inepts.

PeterG92
17
4 days ago

It will take time to be restored but it won't take a lifetime

SGTRavage
11
4 days ago

Which can mean criminal negligence or violation of safety standards, and not necessarily terrorism or sabotage.

Calm down, the place is still on fire.

JammieDodgers
7
4 days ago

I'm guessing this is just a formality and doesn't necessarily mean they have any serious reason to think this was malicious?

Nilsneo
7
4 days ago

Very likely something that just has to be done with any fire this large to be able to find source/cause of fire.

Lichbigneking
14
4 days ago
Franches
11
4 days ago

I cried. I am 28, m. Not from France. I cried.

SVRG_VG
12
4 days ago

In not even a year time, we have lost both the Museo Nacional in Brasil and the Nôtre Dame in Paris.

It's a sad time for history.

EuropeanFederation
10
4 days ago

Jesus christ

Please stop

CptCap
12
4 days ago

La deuxieme fleche est tombé vers 19h50, le toit est probablement completement perdu.

teepenny
11
4 days ago

Fuck I sorted by new. That was stupid.

toldenGoast
13
4 days ago

I feel silly. I just shed a tear for a building. I only visited it once but it was so beautiful. Seeing it illuminated at night. 850 years of history.

Ofthedoor
13
4 days ago

It was just announced all of the artwork is safe, as already a lot of it was removed for the renovation.

PeterG92
11
4 days ago
elizabethunseelie
11
4 days ago

Such a beautiful building. I remember my first visit, being transfixed under the rose window as the sun streamed in casting a million fragments of colour onto the floor and the faces of the people passing through. Being in there is like stepping out of time in the middle of a modern city. Hopefully it's just the roof that's damaged and the stonework and glass withstands the heat. But even if it's terrible damage, I hope it can be restored.

pppjurac
9
4 days ago

That is a cultural disaster.

But if there is will it will be rebuilt again.

Yreptil
8
4 days ago

YES! Firemen up in the side towers with water hoses! Heroes!

ChieftainBumblebee
10
4 days ago

This broke my heart literally. Sad day for France and whole of Europe. We should all help rebuild this piece of history.

LittleShiningLuma
9
4 days ago

I usually don't feel proud of my nationality. But today, when I learnt that Notre-Dame was burning, I felt so immensely sad that I nearly cried.

Let's face it, I'm still feeling proud to be French.

-Darth-Jar-Jar
9
4 days ago

I’m not french, just european, but seeing the spire collapse made my stomach drop. I really hope it can be rebuilt.

AvatarVecna
9
4 days ago

So, my understanding is that the original book "The Hunchback Of Notre Dame" was extremely different from the Disney movie, primarily in a "all the people are assholes" way, and that everybody being awful was part of highlighting the point the book was making: the average person may be bad, but people are temporary; the architecture matters because it will outlast them.

I wish this one had lasted longer. Hopefully it can be saved and renovated.

satan-the-sexy-beast
9
4 days ago

Good news: all the artworks have been saved. The treasure of the cathedral is intact, the crown of thorns, the holy sacraments- this Is a translated tweet from a French official on Twitter. Someone else posted it somewhere here in the comments

Kayaba-Akihiko
10
4 days ago

I lived in the Quartier Latin, 5 minutes walk from Notre Dame. Seeing it burning today on a live stream, it felt like I was loosing a relative. You know, all these firefighters looked like doctors and surgeons working hard in the surgery room, while you're waiting, powerless, with your friends and family, anxiously. Although I lived close to it, and pass in front of it multiple times a week, I never actually went inside for the past 18 years. And this feels exactly like when you loose someone, and realise you didn't spent enough time with them. It hurts.

ABoutDeSouffle
10
4 days ago

'They are now saying the structure of Notre Dame has been saved' https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1117897204742512640

Wrkncacnter112
9
4 days ago

It really looks like the south rose window is ok. You have to understand most of the windows are below the fire and in a separate space that appears potentially to have been largely unbreached. In some recent photos the fire had died down and I could still see the details in the south rose. We can’t be sure, but it looked fine. Still worried about the north rose, but cautiously optimistic.

Please do not say such negative things if you don’t have specific evidence.

ColourFox
11
4 days ago

Damn. I bet the Huguenots are behind this! Quickly, get the incense and the branding irons!

morgothiel
9
4 days ago

Oh no, this makes me really sad :( I loved the gorgeous historical buildings in Paris when I visited a couple years ago, couldn't even imagine this happening. I hope the damage remains small.

ManhattanThenBerlin
8
4 days ago

I see scaffolding, wonder if the source of the fire is construction/ restoration related? Either way absolutely heart breaking.

Emis_
9
4 days ago

Jesus Christ thought it was some sensationalism but the place is fucking gone, what the absolute fuck

themightytouch
8
4 days ago

I don’t know if something so historical has been lost like this since WW2...

EDIT: Maybe not the entire world but at least in Europe.

PeterG92
31
4 days ago

Palymra in Syria?

gamma55
26
4 days ago

And like half of historical Aleppo, which was in parts over 3000 years old.

But hey, wrong continent, wrong country.

IngsocInnerParty
25
4 days ago

So much history in Syria and Iraq has been lost over the last couple of decades.

Autogegner
6
4 days ago

There was this very unfortunate episode where Daesh amassed hordes that pushed back the Syrian troops that had recaptured it and then went to complete the destruction of some of the historic sites.

olvini3
10
4 days ago

I just hope that my beloved Notre-Dame will not totally collapse...

jakesdrool05
9
4 days ago

Feels like something that should be beyond theft was stolen today. Very sad.

Artoriasxb
10
4 days ago

I was gonna make a stupid joke about quasimodo doing something stupid but fuck man, that's a real bad fire

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4 days ago

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orispy
5
4 days ago

Who ? ...save a click for the lazy such as myself.

Tastypies
8
4 days ago

It's really weird. I know this is "just" a building and I've never been to France. And yet I feel shocked, followed by a profound sadness. I think it's the feeling that something we deemed eternal, is gone. Just like that.

iwanttosaysmth
6
4 days ago

Because it is not just a building, and it's pretty normal that people value and feel attached to things

final_Report
9
4 days ago

I see so many people laughing and cheering it on on social media, even pictures of bystanders laughing IN FRONT of the Notre Dame.

What the hell is this world coming to?

satan-the-sexy-beast
10
4 days ago

Meme culture, everything is a joke

The notre dame memes are coming

Phoenix1427
6
4 days ago

There are also a lot of youths and idiots on reddit who like being edgy

SernyRanders
8
4 days ago

Oh god no

SernyRanders
8
4 days ago
etruscanboar
8
4 days ago

Varg is living in France these days, no?

Falsus
9
4 days ago

Doesn't Varg Vikernes live in Paris nowadays?

dniwehtotnoituac
8
4 days ago

My mom's crying right now, and I can't fault her for it in the slightest. Absolute tragedy.

TheDirkey
9
4 days ago

Imagine the people who visited today the Cathedral for probably the last time ever. They didn't know how lucky they were...

AxIngrosso
9
4 days ago

A very sad day for Europe...

Phoenix1427
10
4 days ago

For the world, really

TheAtheistApologist
9
4 days ago

Im not even Christian and this breaks my heart, literally one of the most amazing buildings in Europe. I’ve always wanted to see It in person. I hope they manage to save the relics, it would be a terrible thing to lose the crown and remains of the Cross (even if they are fake they still date back to at least the forth century making them relics in their own right)

Autogegner
9
4 days ago

Here is another drone image, that shows no signs of fire inside the interior of the church.

thisistheperfectname
8
4 days ago

If the BBC is correct, the stonework is saved. Any word yet on the rose windows?

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4 days ago

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Bane_Is_Back
8
4 days ago

I've been trying to figure out why this upsets me so much and I think I have figured it out.

I've made peace, at least for now, with the mortality of myself and everyone I will ever meet. But without realizing it, part of the underpinning of that peace is the thought that some things will endure for a very long time.

Today shattered that. I could wake up tomorrow and find we lose the British Museum and everything in it.

appleandapples
9
4 days ago

So much history lost, I know they will rebuild, but damn...

Einherjaren97
7
4 days ago

Nooo! I really hop they can put out the fire.

Madscantakeabeating
8
4 days ago

Will they build it up again you think?

muasta
10
4 days ago

Probably

KikiriWow
6
4 days ago

This remembers me the fire of the National Museum of History in Brazil, which burned only because it wasn't correctly taken care of. I wish that Notre Dame doesn't get the same ending.

SaladinsSaladbar
7
4 days ago

From an American who has a Father that was born in Paris, this is absolutely heartbreaking. My paternal side goes back for ages as Parisians and I've had the lucky opportunity to visit quite a bit.

Out of all the trips, Notre Dame stood out as a special place. Completely devastated to watch this live as it unfolds.

adelkaloc
7
4 days ago

I will donate as much money as I can for it to be rebuild.

TheOnlyFallenCookie
7
4 days ago

That happens when the new cleric in town decides to play his hot ass Christian bell song playlist

piyratheon
7
4 days ago

Heartbreaking. Despite knowing that structures can be reconstructed and rebuilt, this is still loosing a precious piece of history. Seeing this has made me incredibly sad.

TheOnlyPorcupine
8
4 days ago

So sorry to see this.

No idea why I’m feeling so sad. It’s like a part of Europe has died.

davideverlong
7
4 days ago

Vigorously refreshing TIFU

nachingcl
6
4 days ago

Man, imagine being any of the workers that were on the renovation efforts that caused the fire.

I mean, I know they didn’t cause the fire on purpose, its the thought that it might be dreadful to think that you were responsible to an extent of the fire that destroyed Notre Dame.

Nilsneo
6
4 days ago

There have been reports that no renovation workers or anyone else were in the Cathedral today. I certainly hope it wasn't some oily rag.

nicethingscostmoney
6
4 days ago

Fuck.

I moved here just over a year ago and never went inside because I felt it would be there forever.

RussellsKitchen
7
4 days ago

A treasure of humanity lost or at least partially destroyed today. 😥

Kapuseta
6
4 days ago

Never realize something like this could actually happen... Devastated

wibblett
7
4 days ago

I am literally shaking right now. This is such a sad event in history.

Svhmj
8
4 days ago

I hope the entire structure doesn't collapse, so that it will be easier to restore.

craggwife
7
4 days ago

From a fellow cathedral city (york) to Paris, I am heartbroken for you, such beautiful architecture, such inspiring design, visited it twice and was awestruck.

KonaAddict
8
4 days ago

Any updates on the injured fireman?

JarlFurlong89
8
4 days ago

Whoever accidentally started this fire is currently trying to emigrate to the moon.

kaycee1992
7
4 days ago

What happened in Lisbon and Warsaw was worse, and they've all been rebuilt. No matter what, the Notre Dame Cathedral will surely be rebuilt.

hypatianata
8
4 days ago

Truly the darkest timeline.

So much history has been burned down, by accident and on purpose, since the turn of the millennium and especially recently. It just adds to the general feeling that humanity is trying to drive itself off a cliff and we’re all either in denial, looting what we can for ourselves, or staring helplessly like it’s a slow motion car wreck.

Condolences to France. It’s a cultural loss even to the whole world.

muasta
6
4 days ago

This feels like something that happens in some shitty disaster movie , you just don't think of a building like this like it's vulnerable.

Porodicnostablo
6
4 days ago

This is just terrible.

A couple of weeks ago I posted a pic that I took a while back from the Notre Dame:

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/aoeaxf/paris/

An important, beautiful and grand place. Hope the damage is minimal.

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4 days ago

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Pascalwb
6
4 days ago

It's always during repairs. Workers smoking or some shit.

Kanelbullen00
7
4 days ago

As a 80 year old, I'll be able to say that I was born while the Notre Dame still existed; it'll be the new sliced bread

2nice4u
5
4 days ago

Varg Vikernes lives in France now. Coinsidence?

Tech-N9ne
5
4 days ago

How the F... does this even happen?

rutroraggy
8
4 days ago

Oxygen, fuel and a spark

TheNedd69
6
4 days ago

I live in France and saw it. That beauty is over a thousand years old, and just seeing it burning is so damn depressing.

In case anyone is wondering how it happened, there was a "mishap", the roof caught fire and the rest went up in flames.

Satteomalvini
7
4 days ago

Italian here. While we may shit oh so much on our French neighbours, this time, however, we're united in mourn. :( A sad day for Europe and worldwide art.

myacc488
7
4 days ago

I was just reading a recent article about how the cathedral was in terrible disrepair and needed 150 mil in renovations or would collapse within a decade. Too little too late. Sad

Sarnecka
6
4 days ago

Some good news the artwork has been saved:

https://twitter.com/KoliaDelesalle/status/1117865987670364160

Universal-Omnicide
6
4 days ago

Survived countless revolutions, both world wars and burnt down because of a clumsy renovation worker......

TumNarDok
6
4 days ago

The nave structure supports a lead roof that comprises 1326 tiles that are 5mm thick each and weigh in at 210,000kg.

YIKES

Halbling
6
4 days ago

French Interior Ministry official says firefighters might not be able to save Notre Dame Cathedral

tonterias
7
4 days ago

The ones who built that scaffolding are having an awesome advertisement

iwanttosaysmth
6
4 days ago

It's reported that the most valuable pieces of art are secured and undamaged

royce76
5
4 days ago

Could you imagine being the person(s) who made the mistake that led to this? Yikes.

funciton
7
4 days ago

The north tower is on fire, and it can't be extinguished from the ground.

Chances are that the large bell falls. If it does, it could take the whole tower, and possibly the whole structure with it.

yakovgolyadkin
6
4 days ago

Watching live coverage, there are clearly lights inside and on that tower that are from helmet lamps or flashlights, meaning firefighters on in and on the tower. If there was a fear it could collapse soon, they wouldn't be there.

stat1490
8
4 days ago

There have been lots of fires in churches lately in France

itsgillian_w
6
4 days ago

What an absolute, heartbreaking loss. This is the modern day equivalent of the library of Alexandria being lost. Notre-Dame wasn’t just great architecture, but also a source of rich and deep art and history. You can’t replace 850 years of history and art.

trusspike15
6
4 days ago

Right before Easter god damn

R0cket_Surgeon
7
4 days ago

This is not only a tragic loss for France, but also for the very heart of western culture and history.

AxIngrosso
6
4 days ago

When I first heard the news I didn't except that I would feel so sad after seeing the images and recordings. I only visited it once, but I still remember that beautiful architecture. I really feel bad and I really hope that the main structure will be spared...

PM_ME_YOUR_HOMEW0RK
7
4 days ago

This is heartbreaking. For the first time in forever I'm completely speechless.