bootchmagoo
1121
4 days ago

I can forsee this being FOTY but we still have a ton of cards left.

BestSinceDay0
393
4 days ago

I can see it being voted FOTY given the sentiment around it, but I enjoyed Poirier/Holloway more. Both were fucking amazing, though.

seymourbuttes91
410
4 days ago

Both title fights were fucking amazing, but I'd have to give Izzy the nod. Was brutal for me to watch Max come out and basically piss the first 2 rounds away, and I don't agree with the judges scorecards. I thought round 5 was gonna dictate the winner, but I also don't think Dustin ran away with that round, so 49-46 is tough to live with.

nottherealstanlee
198
4 days ago

Agreed although I think Dustin earned the first two rounds. Max wasn't prepared for that kind of power. He really needs some more pop if he wants to stick in 155.

Soulwaxing
87
4 days ago

Yeah I'm hoping Max can make the jump at some point. Maybe needs to bulk up more with some more muscle? Dustin had said before it took him a little while to properly fill out into a 155 build so I'm hoping Max can do it eventually. Maybe jumping straight to 155 Dustin was too much.

sansaset
59
4 days ago

that was definitely the problem.

Max went up to 155 with barely any preparation and he paid for it.

he is basically a 145er that didn't have to cut much to fight at 155.

when you're dealing with top ranked fighters who are so technically well rounded it really does come down to size.

scarfox1
34
4 days ago

It comes more down to not standing and taking punches with no head movement. Max would have won had he used some defense in the first few rounds. Later on it looked like he was dodging punches because it was life and death.

kingjuicepouch
56
4 days ago

I think this is a bit too dismissive of Dustin's talent

mrmoogthecat
2
4 days ago

I was guilty of this. Honestly I have not really paid much attention to Poirier. I had penned him as an also ran.

I do not watch every fight religiously of all the fighters. Bit of a casual in that regard I guess.

But I was SO impressed with him during this fight. Great technique , great game plan imho and amazing physicality. I am going to go and rewatch what got him to this stage.

scarfox1
1
4 days ago

Holloway literally doesn't give a fuck about getting hit. If he did, I think it was already close, so he would have won

AreYouDaftt
1
4 days ago

He definitely gave a fuck when Dustin wobbled him a few times

Nakedpolarbearfudge
1
4 days ago

Porier was too slick, on top of the clear power difference. He was rolling with 90 percent of anything Holloway connected with, and landed counter shots on it all too.

Maybe I should rewatch, but I really don't think it was close at all. IMO itwould take much more than slightly better defense for Holloway to be competitive in a rematch.

Don't get me wrong, he showed awesome heart, but this fight also displayed what happens when that high volume output is pitted against a more powerful opponent who can defend/mitigate most of it, and eat what gets through with no problem.

tooObviously
6
4 days ago

Bruh it was hard to watch max just eat so many punches to the face. Like he's not used to facing dudes with a longer wingspan

Inc0mplete13
0
4 days ago

Many people he faced had longer wingspan. He trains with people with longer reach every day.

Tr3ytyn
0
4 days ago

Not saying you’re wrong but it also comes down to the amount of gas you got, Max looked a little bogged down with that weight too.

You could say lots of things I suppose, it ended the way it did and maybe we’ll see em again, onto the next PPV 😬🤗😬🤗 I love this sport

dadjeans7
25
4 days ago

Dude, I mean I get what youre saying but max cuts as much as Dustin and has been confirmed to walk around 180. The biggest difference is that max didn’t add muscle then cut, as opposed to porier who has clearly put on muscle to fight at 155.

Sorry don’t want to come off as a douche but it matters and I had to say it.

bnelson
9
4 days ago

There is a counter-intuitive aspect about lean guys with muscle and cutting. Muscle holds a lot more water than adipose tissue. So, to a point, cutting doesn’t get that much harder if you can bulk up cleanly. Hendricks and Gastelum are not good at this lol.

dadjeans7
6
4 days ago

Yeah I totally agree with you; makes me wonder how much better Gastelum could be in theory.

Watch Diaz when he fought mcregor the first time then look at him the second fight, he clearly put on more lean muscle.

bnelson
1
4 days ago

Gastelum, especially could be at 170 and murdering people. He is obviously really good and can probably make a big career at middle, but I want murder and not so much reach disadvantage.

acousticbrain
1
4 days ago

Yeah I honestly didn’t think he looked very good at all going in that fight. Dustin looked like an absolute unit next to him.

Soulaxer
1
4 days ago

You’re out of your mind, this “size” circle jerk that happens every time a fighter moves up and loses is ridiculous. Max cuts from 180, he SHOULD be a lightweight. He ate absolute bombs over and over again, that’s why he lost. No amount of size would change that.

sansaset
1
4 days ago

lmfao you think Max cuts from 180 down to 145? idk wtf you're smoking dude.

Poirier definitely had a much better game plan but aside from taking a lot of damage he was never at risk of being KO'd.

some of the combos Max put on Poirier rocked him and if he had another 10-15 pounds behind him may have been enough to put him away.

if you don't understand that Max with a years prep properly bulking to fight at 155 would make him stronger i don't know what to tell you.

CaptainAerosex
1
4 days ago

It definitely wasn’t the problem.

Poirier sucked Max into his game, got ahead early. The power of Poirier was an issue, but Max packing on pounds doesn’t help. He was still withering Poirier with volume, but he got stymied by Poirier’s defence and drawn away from certain aspects of his game (kicking and body work) all of which have nothing to do with a little extra power.

If you’re going up a weight class, you use the advantages that come with being a smaller guy, usually speed or stamina. Max isn’t particularly fast, so his gas tank and durability are his main assets going up. Packing on muscle wouldn’t help that...he just needed to fight better against an incredibly skilled opponent.

Nakedpolarbearfudge
1
4 days ago

Exactly. Not sure what it is with people always being so eager to dismiss size as being relevant to a fight. When you're speaking about the best in the game, the absolute elite, every single factor in your favor is huge.

MikePyp
42
4 days ago

I've noticed with a lot of fighters that move up the amount of success they have is dependent upon the level of competition in the higher class. Kelvin didn't dive right into the top 10 and looked good, then got humbled when he did. Then he made the adjustment and resurged. Dustin was kind of the same. Moved up, faced some lower guys, did well, got humblee by MJ, then adjusted. Cerrone and rda as well. If max were to make a permanent move to 155, in a year I think you'd see him with more size, throwing heavier shots and restore his 145 quickness and pace. I don't think he prepared for a larger division, just planned for a 145 fight with an easier weight cut.

nashtonowitzki
15
4 days ago

Goddamn it Rory what were you thinking. Fucking Gegard as your stepup? FOH.

gunswordfist
3
4 days ago

I'm still laughing at everyone who picked Rory in that fight. Gegard outwrestled OSP while injured and has won every (Heavyweight) kickboxing fight that I'm aware of him having. MacDonald had nothing for Gegard and it showed in a big way.

binders_full_ofwomen
-1
4 days ago

Yeah one thing I've never understood about MMA is why they throw you to the wolves when you move up in weight or when you come back from a serious injury. I don't think boxing is really they much better, but they tend to give more "tune up" fights than MMA.

iEatPorcupines
4
4 days ago

Max is a champ and needed a shot at a title to make moving up for a fight worthwhile. All the other guys started with easier fights when moving up.

You also have cases like recently Pettis but also Silva, DC, GSP and technically McGregor to name a few who have risen to the occasion when moving up in weight and fighting top talent. So success stories do exist.

binders_full_ofwomen
2
4 days ago

I'm not saying they don't exist. But sometimes a tune up fight would be good. Such as in the case with Max. Or even cane. Imagine if cane got a chance to have a tune up before heading straight into it with Ngannou. Imagine if Max was fed straight to khabib. I don't think that would be very enjoyable.

I think you're right and definitely have an argument that holds weight, but I don't think we should apply that across the board. Certain weight classes are big jumps.

Nothingaddsup
1
4 days ago

I think they do it largely because boxing does do it. There are just more champs etc so a guy coming up in weight can often pick the weakest champ in the new weight class. The weight divs are also much closer together so they can take a much more methodical approach. It's rare for a boxer to skip weight classes on the way up so it's a much more gradual change and they get used to the new power etc.

Even still it's not super uncommon to for people to be champs in 4 + weight classes (though they are usually the elite guys and ATGs). Pac managed to do 8.

MMA tries to emulate this but the gaps are just too big for most guys. Many in the MMA community were already saying Max was in disccusions for GOAT status, and Dustin, while being very good, isn't likely to go down as one of the ATGs. It probably made sense in their mind.

Khabib was right in the end though, you have to earn your way up. It could have been hugely embarrassing for the UFC and Max if he had been put straight in there with Khabib.

binders_full_ofwomen
1
4 days ago

I see what you're saying and I agree with many of your points. Weight divisions are a bit different in MMA than boxing

Kezyma
21
4 days ago

I'm probably wrong, but I don't think Max lacking power is what let him down in the fight, he was still overwhelming the few times he managed to start getting his long combinations off.

The problem I saw was that Max is used to being able to take more of the shots from his opposition at 145, if he could become more evasive and make his opponents miss more, the power difference wouldn't matter as much, especially since if he bulks up, he might not be able to maintain the same output as he does currently as his arms would get tired quicker.

I'm open to being corrected, it just seems to me that making his muscles heavier might be counter productive to his style and if he had evaded more of Porier's offence, he'd have had more time to throw his own and execute his gameplan!

Does bulking up make it easier to take a shot?

AndroidHandyAndy
17
4 days ago

Bulking up would definitely help prevent Dustin from countering, he could take Max's first shots without a problem and come right back at him because the punches aren't snapping his head back. Later in the rounds is when Max had the most success when Dustin slowed down a touch and was able to get his combos off. It's not like Max has a cardio problem and he would definitely benefit from a bit more mass.

Kezyma
2
4 days ago

I definitely agree that if he’d had more power then he’d be able to stop the attacks of stronger people, you’re probably right that he’d benefit from some more power in his punches, I guess I just don’t think it’d have been as beneficial as more evasive movement, although both would have helped him avoid and slow down the pace of Porier!

benigntugboat
5
4 days ago

I thought that it was a significant factor but not the biggest. I thing the biggest factor was poitiers guard. He blocked enough punches to make overwhelming him with volume very difficult. He also effectively used takedown attempts to break momentum. Early on max couldnt get through the guard, later when Dustin was too tired to use it as effectively he would get hit with a flurry, push to the fence and recover, break apart before the next flurry. Which wasnt brought time for max to catch up with. Maybe the punches max did land would have been enough if he was bigger, but I think the high guard and fence work mattered more.

roland71460
2
4 days ago

I wonder if max getting rocked early in the first didn’t throw him off for the rest of the fight. I might be wrong I haven’t Watched it back but it seems to me that max wasn’t evasive like he used to be.

nottherealstanlee
1
4 days ago

That's a fair point, but I think if he bulks up a bit he may be able to make those flurries count for more. I mean during the fight you could see Max wearing most of those shots while Dustin looked relatively okay. You may be right though about movement, but I thought in rounds 3 and 4 he was able to find his rhythm better. He just got smacked early and took a while to regain his footing. I think if he used his legs a little more that might have helped as well. Clearly he can't just overwhelm guys at 155 the way he can at 145.

WhenNDoubtWeirdItOut
-7
4 days ago

yeahhh he wasn't Dustin had a lot more power than I thought our just looked that way!

seymourbuttes91
-20
4 days ago

I don't know about power, I personally don't think he was ready for Dustin to come out there with that kind of volume. Obviously Poirier had more power for sure, but Max didn't do his trademark style and try to smother Dustin. He clearly had the edge cardio wise, he should've just thrown all fight.

BestSinceDay0
17
4 days ago

Dustin was stinging him with counter right hooks as Max entered, that's why Max wasn't too aggressive. He had to be really careful to set his entries up, because Dustin could box with him in the pocket and had the power edge (and Holloway was justifiably fighting cautious after a disastrous round 1). He still did gorgeous body work and started to open up around round 3, but Dustin being southpaw + being more comfortable jabbing in the open stance, plus having power counters, caused Max real issues.

BrandonfromNewJersey
5
4 days ago

Yeah Ortega was stinging max with that counter right as well. I imagine Dustin probably spotted that opening looking at tape and exposed it big time.

seymourbuttes91
3
4 days ago

It's tough to give them a 3rd matchup if Dustin won 2 already, but I think the fans would absolutely love to see that regardless. It's tough because Max undoubtedly goes back down to FW now even though there's really not that much left for him there, and Dustin has to unify against Khabib, which leaves Tony in limbo AGAIN. I have no idea what's in store for either of them after this. If they give Khabib vs. Tony, I can see Dana booking McGregor vs. Poirier again.

BrandonfromNewJersey
-10
4 days ago

It will be khabib poirier. That interim belt is basically a token to cash in for your shot. Tony should stop wearing sunglasses indoors and looking for cameras in the walls if he wants his shot.

[deleted]
2
4 days ago

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BrandonfromNewJersey
1
4 days ago

He made fun of a guy for losing custody of his son. Pretty sure hes earned a couple of jokes thrown his way.

CokeStroke
33
4 days ago

Something Dominick Cruz said is that blood is very bad for the eyes of the judges. That once Cody cut him up with that gash, he had to move forward, take chances, and win rounds convincingly. So once I saw Max eat that knee and started gushing out blood I knew the next two rounds would be compromised a bit. I thought he lost the fight either way, but definitely not a 49-46.

seymourbuttes91
13
4 days ago

It was insanely close through 3, 4 and 5, I have no idea how they scored it a 49-46 and that just shows how badly we need better and more consistent judging. I would've accepted a split decision, 49-48 or a draw even. That knee and gash definitely had an effect on the scoring even though it didn't end up affecting the fight.

balrone
23
4 days ago

would've accepted a split decision

This is incredibly dumb, you don't want split decisions. Splits aren't a way for the judges to show the fight was close. They judge and score separately. They don't come together and say "we should make this a split to give credit to both fighters". This is like watching a catch in football and saying you wanted the refs to disagree on whether or not it was a catch to show that it was borderline. Splits can be understandable but they shouldn't ever be sought after.

WKShoes
3
4 days ago

Exactly, I was just going to say the fact the judges all scored it the EXACT same shows consistency and accurate judging (not that it always happens though).

gunswordfist
2
4 days ago

Don't be insulting. You know what they meant.

Samshamoo
16
4 days ago

The strike counts, per round, were all even give or take a few shots except for round 3 where Max had a good 20ish more significant strikes then poirier, so he got that round due to landing quite a few more shots (negating the fact that Dustin's shots were noticeably harder)

That 3rd round shows exactly what max needed to win the round 4 and 5, but his volume started to fall off a bit/Dustin kept up the pace with him and Dustin was snapping Max's head with almost every strike whereas when Max was landing it wasn't busting Poirier up, wasnt cutting him, not staggering him etc etc

So with the sig strike numbers being very close to even and Poirier hitting a lot harder with each shot.. I don't see a draw at all to be honest. Had Dustin not kept up the pace in the 4th and 5th then I could see a split/draw possible or a win for Max.

-itstruethough-
23
4 days ago

I had it 49-46, and am surprised to see so many people taken aback by it.

But either way, Dustin won without any doubt, in my opinion. I'd be fine with a 48-47, I just don't want to see anyone arguing that Max should have won. Even Max knew he lost.

j-tulldotcom
3
4 days ago

It is a reasonable assessment, chief. I think many people got influenced by Khabib's tweet about a draw.

-itstruethough-
5
4 days ago

Plus you gotta know Khabib was rooting for Max. That fight would do much better business, he's the last person to ask for an impartial opinion.

mieshacake
3
4 days ago

Right? I bet on Max and had it 49-46 for Dustin. It is what it is. lisztomania confused people

WKShoes
2
4 days ago

Same here. Quite clearly a decision for Dustin, and like you, I had it scored 49-46. The judges had it spot on. Not sure how people are making it seem so much closer than it was.

seymourbuttes91
-5
4 days ago

Poirier clearly started to gas in 4 and 5 though and leaning on Max for the last minute isn't a good look (in my book, obviously nobody agrees with that).

Samshamoo
4
4 days ago

I don't disagree with that, but the punches landed is the key part here. Max looked like he was going to pull away in the third but either Max slowed a touch or Dustin got his 2nd wind because after Max out struck Dustin by 20ish in the third, the 4th was even with Dustin opening that big cut and the fifth had about 20 sig strikes a piece with Dustin ending it pushing Max against the cage.

Max needs to have more volume if he's fighting a guy whose landing punch for punch but has noticeably more power.

Jkusn90
2
4 days ago

Dustin looked good in the later rounds against Gaethje also at the point you would think he would get tired. Dustin was still cracking him hard even though Gaethje was moving forward. Dustin is one of those fighters it appears you can’t win from just pressuring alone, would have been/ is interesting to see how he would fare against Ferguson or Diaz.

seymourbuttes91
1
4 days ago

Yeah, that's why I stated somewhere earlier that Dustin just out-Holloway'd Max. He never got started until round 3 because Dustin was the one pouring it on instead of Max. Max needed to just throw caution to the wind in round 5 and just pour it on nonstop. Dustin was clearly gassed

jamesstansel
1
4 days ago

I agree with you. I thought round 4 was pretty clear for Holloway. He usually wins by gassing and overwhelming his opponents. That's what he started to do in round 4, but Poirier seems to maintain his power when he's tired much better than Holloway's opponents at 145 so Max couldn't turn it on to finish and possibly eat a few counters in the meantime like he normally can.

CokeStroke
10
4 days ago

I thought Poirier edged out 5, even had some late success in 4. Haven't rewatched the fight yet, but live i scored it Poirier 1,2,5. Holloway can't fight backwards man, good thing he has a chin blessed by the Hawaiian gods.

seymourbuttes91
9
4 days ago

Didn't round 4 end with Max having control of Dustin's neck?

CokeStroke
5
4 days ago

Yeah. But leading up to that, Dustin's second wind kicked in and started landing. I still gave it to Max.

kwilaon
9
4 days ago

A split decision by definition means the judging isn’t consistent because it means two people watched the same fight and came up with a different winner

T0x1Ncl
0
4 days ago

Which is what often happens in fights that are extremely close, like Holloway- Poirier 2

kwilaon
5
4 days ago

But ops complaint was that judging wasn’t consistent

pokeym0nster
-1
4 days ago

He's talking about the one that seems way off with 49 46? I didn't watch the fight so no opinion

kwilaon
6
4 days ago

Op is saying he thinks the judges are inconsistent and 49-46 is the wrong score but a split or draw would have been an acceptable score to him. All three judges saw the fight 49-46 porier with Holloway taking the third round so I’m saying it makes no sense to say the judges are inconsistent in this instance because all three judges had the exact same score you can debate whether or not that score was correct but the judges were 100% consistent in this case

madtowntripper
5
4 days ago

49-46 across the board. It was a good score. People are just salty.

igoeswhereipleases
8
4 days ago

1 2 3 5 to poorer isnt ridiculous or egregious. Close rounds can go to either guy you know. 49-46 isnt inherently a mile away from 48-47. It could be an inch away.

madtowntripper
9
4 days ago

Thank you. It's a good score. People just like Max better. He got the shit beat out of him every round and really only hurt Dustin in the 3rd/4th.

lemonvenom6
0
4 days ago

How in the fuck did you give Dustin round 3

igoeswhereipleases
2
4 days ago

I have to rewatch if it was 3 or 4 that was close, my bad if I mixed those up.

seymourbuttes91
-4
4 days ago

48-47 would have made much more sense though, because that's a very close fight, whereas 49-46 really doesn't seem so. I also think most people agree it was 1, 3, 5 Poirier, and 2, 4 and maaaaaybe 5 max.

igoeswhereipleases
12
4 days ago

But you dont score a fight with a score you feel makes sense. You score each round as it goes then you add them up.

270-
5
4 days ago

48-47 would have made much more sense though, because that's a very close fight

In retrospect yeah, but rounds are scored independently. It's like how in a fight where you have one round with a clear winner and two toss-up rounds it's really not that egregious to give the fight to the other guy by the rules of how fights are scored. Judges would need to start going "eh, I gave the last round to Fighter A, so I guess this one's Fighter B to make it even", but that opens up a whole other can of worms.

pikob
1
4 days ago

Imagine all five rounds were really really close, but all judges agree on how they went. You could get 50-45 score that would be completely appropriate, yet wouldn't represent how close the fight was. Sometimes this happens and it's not wrong. The point is to get the real winner down, but score itself can easily misrepresent the fight.

It would be a better indicator if you averaged fighter's scores over multiple fights to smooth out natural random deviations like I described.

GO_RAVENS
7
4 days ago

That's just not how scoring works. You can have an insanely close fight that ends up 50-45 if every round has the winner just slightly edging out the opponent. The scorecard is a count of rounds won, not a determination of how close a fight was. They don't have to trade rounds for it to be a close fight.

Champagnesoda
5
4 days ago

A fight can be close af and still be a 49-46. You said yourself that 4 and 5 were close. It’s not a reach at all to give both rounds to porier, in which case a 49-46 is your score.

benigntugboat
2
4 days ago

If you thought they were insanely close than it shouldnt be a surprise if they thought someone won anyone or even all of them. Am extremely close round and a pretty dominant round with no knockdowns have the same score of 10-9 most of the time. Losing around closely doesnt change your end score, sonyour kind of arguing in favor of the judges.

Triangleguy92
1
4 days ago

I don’t think it was close at all. I was leaning 50-45 so the 49-46 didn’t surprise me. No way a split decision or draw could be justified.

Moronoo
1
4 days ago

49-48

Fedor1
1
4 days ago

Which is a joke. I could see fans being swayed by blood, but shouldn’t judges be educated enough to know that a cut is more likely to come from a glancing blow, than a direct hit?

MATERlAL
14
4 days ago

I don’t see how anyone could discount Poriers counter punching even during Max’s best rounds. Maybe people’s minds just got used to it and focused more on the few successes max had. And I’m a max fan and was rooting for him to win. I just can’t take anything away from porter. He won at least 4 rounds.

seymourbuttes91
-2
4 days ago

I'm not taking anything away from Poirier, he won fair and square, I'm taking something away from the inconsistent judging. I just don't think 49-46 is a fair score to give.

GanksOP
16
4 days ago

Its weird seeing people not agree with those score cards. If you watch the combos max was throwing in slow-mo you can see how many didn't break the gaurd or slid off the gaurd. It was actually some of the most impressive defensive boxing I have seen in MMA. Normally the smaller gloves make it easier to land but it seems max was having serious issues landing his offense. Meanwhile Dustin was landing hard and clean. The damage was very apperent and the numbers seem to back it up.

seymourbuttes91
2
4 days ago

I'm not arguing that Max won, he didn't. I just think it was closer than the scorecards show. But I suppose I have to go back and rewatch a couple more times.

GanksOP
1
4 days ago

Can't go wrong watching again. I rewatch all the good fights.

Moronoo
1
4 days ago

I just think it was closer than the scorecards show.

but that doesn't mean anything. like someone else said above:

That's just not how scoring works. You can have an insanely close fight that ends up 50-45 if every round has the winner just slightly edging out the opponent. The scorecard is a count of rounds won, not a determination of how close a fight was.

watties12
9
4 days ago

So it sounds like you judge fight quality and rounds based on who your favorite fighter is? Max's only clear round was 3. 4 was 50/50 either way. R5 is Dustin. And Max didn't piss the first two away, he got beat in them fair and square.This post reads like you're trying to take away Dustin's win, or more accurately Max's loss.

seymourbuttes91
3
4 days ago

Except I really don't have a favorite. I would've been happy either way, I just don't think 49-46 is a fair score.

chrisnmarie
7
4 days ago

me too, had it 2-2 going into the 5th

Whimzies
1
4 days ago

I agree. It was much closer than the judges scoring, but the result was right so i am not too upset. The correct fighter got his hand rose.

seymourbuttes91
-2
4 days ago

Me too, I thought whoever won the 5th would take the fight, and although Dustin did a little more, 49-46 is egregious.

kgeezy14
10
4 days ago

Egregious is strong. I gave DP every round except the 3rd. I thought the only other round Max could have won was 4. DP clearly got 1 (possibly 10-8) and. Round 5 was DP's but close. Round 3 was Max and round 4 was very tight to me.

seymourbuttes91
-1
4 days ago

I'm obviously no professional, but I thought it was clearly 1, 2 Dustin, 3 and 4 Max (although 4 could technically go either way, I thought Max took it) and 5 could've gone either way and the only reason Dustin got it is because he spent the last minute leaning on Max.

kgeezy14
3
4 days ago

Depends on what you value, for sure. I don't want to be that guy to say "the judges scored it like me so I am right". I just happened to agree because Max didn't really affect DP like he received. Poirier was hammering him with half the punches he threw. Max seemed to lack power. I can see 48-47 DP and I guess if you really wanted to help out Max you could score it 47-47 with round 1 being a 10-8.

I don't think Max did enough. Poirier had the upper hand the whole fight aside from round 3 and parts of round 4. I respect your opinion though.

chrisnmarie
2
4 days ago

Yeah me too, but damn i wish he did enough damn i wish, crushed my nice 6 fight parlay. :(

seymourbuttes91
1
4 days ago

I can agree with that. I don't think Max won, and Dustin rightfully got the nod, but I don't think it was as one-sided as the judges scores show.

idontlikeflamingos
2
4 days ago

A 49-46 doesn't need to be one sided, just that one fighter barely won 4 rounds.

I'd argue Dustin got round 4 too, but it was very close either way.

chrisnmarie
1
4 days ago

haha had to ask, does your name have anything to do with Family Business lol

-itstruethough-
0
4 days ago

Then how is the score egregious, when you just explained how someone could have scored it like that.

I think the fight was a lot less close than this sub wanted it to be. I scored it the same way all three judges did.

OptimumFries
8
4 days ago

Pissed away the first two rounds because he got outclassed. You Holloways stans are ridiculous. He won one round and that's it. The judges got it right.

seymourbuttes91
4
4 days ago

OK buddy

Romulox88
3
4 days ago

yeah it was the damage imo the made the judges give either the 3rd or 4th to dustin, I had it 2-2 going into the 5th no question who won that though so its really a mute point now. The consistency was there at least from the judges even if we don't agree with it.

imxTHATxdude
3
4 days ago

Man..dislike Dana but cannot disagree with his statement of "can u imagine if these were 3 round fights? And that's why we hav interims" lol What a absolute war for everyone! But that isreal is going to b apart of a lot of best fights or performances in whatever fight

DontEvenPeek
3
4 days ago

You’re seeing it as a fanboy if you think the scorecard is wrong. Max got worked hard by Dustin’s boxing.

seymourbuttes91
1
4 days ago

In 3 of the rounds for sure, but Max took at least 3 and 4.

DontEvenPeek
3
4 days ago

I would say max only definitively won round 3

DripLord420
2
4 days ago

Yeah a 49-46 to Dustin does not seem right. I thought Max won at least two rounds, I’ll have to rewatch but all I know for sure is that Max lost the first two. Max could’ve easily won 3 and 4 and maybe Dustin cemented the 5th by stalling Max out for the last minute.

I think after the excitement dies down and people rewatch it will look a lot closer, Poirier put the hurt on Max early but it was by no means a shut out. Can’t help but be psyched for Dustin though, I think the right guy won.

seymourbuttes91
5
4 days ago

At the end of the day, I don't fault the results, just the scoring. I thought it was obvious Dustin had 1 and 2, and Max had 3 and 4 and whoever took 5 would win, and damage wise, obviously a judge looked at all the blood and shots landed and gave Dustin the nod, which I can understand, just that they scored it wrong. I mean Max did take like 125 shots to the head going into round 4 IIRC.

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-2
4 days ago

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Swagnus___
0
4 days ago

The right guy won, but it sucks to think about that if Max edged out that last round he would have been robbed

Poet_of_Legends
2
4 days ago

MMA judging is STILL terrible.

Decades of excrement.

Xelev
1
4 days ago

Couldn’t agree more, watching Max get rocked like that was hard to watch.

Krenbiebs
1
4 days ago

I like Max but it’s hard for me to give Max more than a round when you factor in the reality that Dustin’s shots might count for twice as much as Max’s and that they landed a similar volume of strikes in rounds 4 and 5.

YohnStamos
1
4 days ago

I honestly had the same score as Izzy vs Gastelum, 48-46 for Poirier. It was a lot closer than the 49-46 scores make it look, and having it as a draw isn't too far fetched with how close rounds 3-5 were.

jankymegapop
1
4 days ago

For sure thought it was a 48-47 fight but, realistically, felt Poirier won three rounds. Max is super tough but this fight showed he should stay at 145 and be dominant there.

The final round of Adesanya - Gastelum was ridiculous but it's clear to everyone who watched that the fight winner came out of that epic fifth round. I was on the fence about Adesanya going in, but won't bet against him again.

Whittaker won't take him down and Israel should win the standup with length and diversity of attack. And, if that happens, Adesanya won't be losing for a while.

I can easily imagine Adesanya being champ at 205 after Jones moves to HW. And I'd love to see those guys fight at LHW in 18 months.

seymourbuttes91
4
4 days ago

I dunno about some of that. Bobby has knockout power and if he gets in close and lands some of those shots that Kelvin was able to land, I think it drops Izzy. I agree he won't have to worry about grappling much against Bobby, but he will against guys like Jacare Souza and Romero. I also think he'll need to put on some serious mass to contend with Jones at 205.

Jimmydweeb24
1
4 days ago

I straight up have no idea how anyone could see that fight being scored 49-46

daboii__
1
4 days ago

Both fights were 2-2 going into the 5th for me

seymourbuttes91
1
4 days ago

Me too. Although Izzy/Gastelum was kind of more ambiguous to me. That 5th round was an absolute fucking banger though.

daboii__
1
4 days ago

Definitely agree even in the Max/ Dustin fight Dustin turned into a different animal in that 5th round

surfstylie88
1
4 days ago

Decision bot Holloway Poirier

DecisionBot
1
4 days ago

DUSTIN POIRIER defeats MAX HOLLOWAY (unanimous decision)

UFC 236: Holloway vs. Poirier 2 — April 13, 2019

ROUND Poirier Holloway Poirier Holloway Poirier Holloway
1 10 9 10 9 10 9
2 10 9 10 9 10 9
3 9 10 9 10 9 10
4 10 9 10 9 10 9
5 10 9 10 9 10 9
TOTAL 49 46 49 46 49 46

Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Derek Cleary, Sal D'Amato. Summoned by surfstylie88.

MEDIA MEMBER SCORES

  • 1/23 people scored it 49-45 Poirier.
  • 4/23 people scored it 49-46 Poirier.
  • 5/23 people scored it 48-46 Poirier.
  • 12/23 people scored it 48-47 Poirier.
  • 1/23 people scored it 47-48 Holloway.

Avg. media score: 48.2-46.6 Poirier (high certainty[1]).

seymourbuttes91
1
4 days ago

48-47 see!

SvetoslavP
1
4 days ago

I had them square till' round 5

Scottish_Legionnaire
1
4 days ago

First round was easily a 10-8. Last round was Dustin's as well. 48-46

madtowntripper
0
4 days ago

I don't have a problem with the scorecards but it was significantly closer the second and third times I watched it.

Looked like a Poirier domination in real time but Max was holding his own.

seymourbuttes91
1
4 days ago

I agree with this. I have no problem with the outcome, just a problem with the scoring.

isomojo
0
4 days ago

I honestly think they came up with that score based on what Holloways face looked like compared to what Dustins face looked like, not saying it's right, but I definitely think it had something to do with it

Darudeboy
-1
4 days ago

MMA has the same problem as boxing. Judges don't give enough credit to good solid clean body work. Max was putting in valuable work to the body and I feel the judges overlooked it.

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-2
4 days ago

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seymourbuttes91
3
4 days ago

Who knows, that knee to the head that opened up that gash may very well be the reason.

BestSinceDay0
-6
4 days ago

Thought the scoring was wack as well, but I had it a draw and no one seems to agree so 🤷‍♂️. I don't think Max pissed the first two away, he won round 2 IMO and it was mostly Poirier overperforming massively. Both looked like far better fighters than Adesanya and Gastelum IMO, and it was more consistently higher-paced (Adesanya/Gastelum was more "a few slow parts and a few insanely fast parts"). Max trying to sneak volume past Poirier's brutal counterpunching was incredible, and both looked very good.

I think either's a fair shout, but I preferred the main.

ThePassivePsychopath
9
4 days ago

Gastelum and Adesanya are much larger, so of course two MWs can't keep the same pace that two LWs can.

BestSinceDay0
-7
4 days ago

And therefore the fight was worse. There's no reason to grade on a curve here. Lighter-weight fights tend to be better than heavier-weight fights, and that's one of the reasons.

BigFatMoggyEejit
4
4 days ago

I know it's considered a casual opinion to some people but something has to be said for size and power. Lightweight fights are faster, higher pace and look more skilled but there's something impressive about seeing bigger guys fight it out with high level skill, every punch and exchange being more significant than that of lower weightclasses. Also, most techniques look (and are) harder to pull off when a big dude does it.

Lightweight is my favourite division and I reckon middleweight is second but I still preferred the Adesanya - Gastelum fight. There's a reason why higher pace and apparent skill level doesn't make flyweight more exciting than lightweight.

BestSinceDay0
5
4 days ago

Fair enough, I just think more quality is gained by pace and good technique than is lost by size and power. Like, Derrick Lewis is big and powerful but I could do with never watching him fight again, where the exact opposite is the case with someone like Jussier Formiga or even Renato Moicano. The enjoyabiliity of a given fight doesn't scale exactly inversely with size/power IMO, but a consistently high-paced fight > an unevenly-paced fight and a better-skilled fight > a worse-skilled one, and lighter weight classes are generally better at delivering that.

higher pace and apparent skill level doesn't make flyweight more exciting than lightweight.

Flyweight isn't as deep as lightweight, the apparent skill level isn't usually higher. When great FLWs (Figueiredo, Benavidez, Johnson, Formiga) are in compelling matchups, they do tend to have better fights than lightweights. Like, Benavidez/Ortiz 2 was way the fuck better than Lee/Iaquinta 2 IMO.

BigFatMoggyEejit
1
4 days ago

Ya that's fair too, it's about preferences really.

I suppose the difference for me is the more back and forth momentum heavier fights can have. In Adesanya - Gastelum in I think the 4th round, Gastelum was getting outstruck and suddenly caught Adesanya with a headkick. He's a 5'9" stocky boxer-wrestler that headkicked one of the most high level strikers to ever enter the UFC despite something like a 7 inch height difference. It completely changed the momentum of the round and made it look like anyone's fight again. Differences in stature and style aren't as significant at flyweight either.

As well, every time Adesanya stuffed a takedown I felt like it was significant because of how much energy it takes middleweights to shoot. At flyweight, it's rare to see a guy gas even in a high action fight, so viewers will rarely think of how much energy someone is using.

I dont think either preference is a "correct" one but think there's merit to preferring either. I

ThePassivePsychopath
1
4 days ago

I disagree whole-heartedly. Enjoying or not enjoying a fight is subjective, man. I don't enjoy watching flyweights fight as much as I enjoy welterweights or middleweights fight because even though they can move faster I know they are just overall less dangerous (which is obviously why there are weight classes). I get that the smaller guys can execute techniques that larger guys can't (because physics) but I am usually more intrigued with the larger guys because of the increased risks involved.

SurrealJay
-1
4 days ago

And therefore the fight was better. There’s no reason to grade on a curve here. Heavier-weight fights tend to be better than lighter-weight fights because lightweights don’t dish out as much power, and that’s one of the reasons.

radbread
1
4 days ago

I agreed with a Draw but knew it would lean one way or the other. I think Poirier coming out in the 1st was what tilted it his way. The saying goes "Don't leave it up to the Judges."

seymourbuttes91
0
4 days ago

They were both absolutely great, so I have no problem with either. It was tough for me to watch Poirier out-Holloway Max. He was blocking Max's stuff early on so well, and I think Max should've gotten the nod, or at least a draw because Dustin gassed himself out towards the end throwing all that volume. I do think that the visible damage Max sustained had a lot to do with the judges decision, but I do also think it was extremely lopsided and we need better judges.

BlackIronBadger
-2
4 days ago

BestTasteSinceDay0

kwilaon
-2
4 days ago

I had max winning the fight but I was pretty drunk and wanted Holloway to win so I definitely need to watch the fight again but 4 rounds to porier seems high

Nugz2Ashez
-4
4 days ago

The fight gave me big time GSP vs Hendricks vibes. Most (if not all) rounds were a 10-9 for the winner, however Dustin's 10-9's were better than Max's. I also thought it was 2-2 going into the 5th, and would have been essentially fine with any result. Much closer fight than most here would have you believe.

seymourbuttes91
0
4 days ago

Yeah, that's my thoughts too. I thought it was tied going into the 5th and it could have gone either way. I have no problem with Dustin winning, but it definitely wasn't as one-sided as the judges scorecards show.

jpp5259
13
4 days ago

I dont know about anyone else, but i was emotionally exhausted after israel-gastelum fight so that may have taken away from the main event

dielawn87
1
4 days ago

It also felt like the stakes weren't the same because of how iron chinned Holloway was. I was way more on my seat in the Adesanya one.

jpp5259
2
4 days ago

True. Max Holloway might have the best best chin in MMA. Even the Diaz brothers get dropped. Max got lit up multiple times and stayed on his feet and recovered.

el_rico_pavo_real
7
4 days ago

IMO Adesanya / Gastelum was a great fight, and a better fight, than Holloway / Poirier because we all felt like Adesanya was in danger of getting dropped literally at any point up until the end of the last round. I think we all knew Max got beat early on, although he fought hard till the end. Both were nail biters and great though.

markfahey78
2
4 days ago

Yeah the momentum swings in izzy gastalum were so prevelent on top of it being a banger. There isnt many fights which are consider on that level which dont have those. Rory vs Lawler is the prime case of clear momentum swings

the_doobieman
5
4 days ago

Really? I couldn't enjoy the main event how I usually do because the co main was so intense

E_blanc
3
4 days ago

I feel like it's hard with holloway, it's like we almost expect a banger with large volumes of striking so we don't react as much as we should.

j-tulldotcom
3
4 days ago

I see your thought man, but I absolutely loved the 2-2 going in the 5th. And boy, did Izzy take that 5th home.

ExstaR
2
4 days ago

Lmao Pourier Hollaway was nothing in comparison

chilloutfam
1
4 days ago

It's early in the year... people might forget about it.

Shittytittycommitee
1
4 days ago

I hated it because max was taking some big shots in the first couple rounds

fitfoemma
1
4 days ago

Kelvin/Izzy had a much stronger fifth round, contender for round of the year.

The fifth in Max/Dustin was a slight downer.

ScheminRieman
1
4 days ago

We have the same opinion. Don’t embarrass us down the road! Lol

KelvinsBeltFantasy
1
4 days ago

Izzy and Kelvin had the rare chemistry of being an actual back and forth war that could end with either guy being dropped.

So many title fights are just one guy owning the other. It was nice seeing such a back and forth fight.

Igriefedyourmom
1
4 days ago

All month I was like FUCK that ESPN bullshit... and then I really looked at the card, and knowing how hard those dude were gonna throw for interim...I pulled out my credit card like a bitch at 10:02 Eastern Time.

PO/HO FOTY

LiquidAurum
1
4 days ago

IDK, Holloway Porier was great no doubt but not back and forth

HavocMax
1
4 days ago

We need a "Best fight card of the year" award, because this card is definitely up there for being one of the most exciting cards.

Pacotaco1948
20
4 days ago

I feel like y’all are forgetting Luque v. Barberena..

brightfalls
5
4 days ago

Yeah thank you someone mentioned it.. I think Izzy/KG will get the nod just because of the implications, but Luque v Barberena was legit just as good if not better purely entertainment wise.

CubeLifeDeskJob
18
4 days ago

Let us not forget, Artem v Mallllininanaggi hasn't even happened yet.

FunkyJokers
8
4 days ago

FOTY is going to be Mcgregor vs Diaz 3 in July.

ChaiNakhordem
8
4 days ago

Nothing indicates that will happen

FunkyJokers
7
4 days ago

I got a source bro.

Distortion462
1
4 days ago

How do you see it playing out?

FunkyJokers
2
4 days ago

With blood.

chimaira94
1
4 days ago

Some guy that trains with Nate hinted it in the Stockton Whatsapp group so it's quite likely that it could happen

Stittastutta
1
4 days ago

Stockton Whatsapp group > Dublin Whatsapp group

DesperateSwimming9
1
4 days ago

Nah its gonna be Coner vs Khabib 2 in September

Obsessed Part 2

Champagnesoda
7
4 days ago

It’s honestly my second favorite fight ever after Conor/Diaz 2. The feel to that fight was different than anything before or after. Just insane pressure and stakes.

This fight ha, everything tho man. True back and forth action, there was clinching, wild kicks, a little bit of spinning shit( that boneseseque elbow by Izzy), and, most importantly to me, it felt like both guys were at their absolute best. They both had solid game plans and adjusted mid fight like truly elite fighters do, and they both did so multiple times.

It was awesome seeing the look on both their faces at the beginning of the fight. Just sheer confidence. That look evaporated from both their faces at certain points In the fight but neither ever gave an inch. Both faced adversity and kept pushing forward.

S_Steiner_Accounting
6
4 days ago

Might be recency bias but it's already top 2 fight ever in MMA for me.

  1. Aldo/Mendes 2

  2. Izzy/Gastelum

  3. Lawler/Rory 2

I need to watch it again since it's never as exciting upon rewatch, but i think it's going to hold up. That 5th round was the most hyped i've been in the moment since Carwin was pounding Lesnar's face in.

jkure2
15
4 days ago

I'll be shocked if you still hold this viewpoint in 6 weeks haha

8LACK_MAMBA
3
4 days ago

Don’t forget true classic back n forths Shogun v Hendo 1&2

LightItUpForAutry
1
4 days ago

i rewatched it and i was agitated by the commentary. at the bar all we heard was cheering and pandemonium, then rewatching it you get joe who sometimes just talks monotone.

lactatingskol
0
4 days ago

Yall amaze me. So many people here saying its the best fight theyve ever seen or in their top 5. It was a great fight but I wouldnt put it in my "top" category at all lol.

muroidea
6
4 days ago

At the least, it'll be a fight I watch again and again over the years.

RinoasDog
6
4 days ago

I've been a fan for a while, yet I can't think of a better MW title fight than Whitaker Romero 2, or Adesanya Gastelum. Literally the best 2 MW fights of all time action and skill display wise.

LightItUpForAutry
1
4 days ago

and we get Whittaker vs Adesanya in Australia next. good lord

WhenNDoubtWeirdItOut
6
4 days ago

that fight was all heart I thought Stylebender was done in the 4th after the head kick but Gastleum was too tired to finish! then he mopped the floor and took the belt in round 5 and then we had another fight ahhhh was sooo good

npavcec
2
4 days ago

I've watched the complete fight three times already. It was a damn good fight with many back and forth moments for both of them, but really.. FOTY?! No fucking way.

My_Diet_DrKelp
2
4 days ago

I respect this take because you actually went back and got past the feelings in the moment. I didn't re-watch it yet &. I'm willing to bet most people haven't gone back either

KeepIt100ForReal
1
4 days ago

It's not crazy to think so, but this year is filled with good cards and we're still in half of April.

MartialArtsFanboy
1
4 days ago

Mmm can't forget luque and barbarena though

GinaCaralho
1
4 days ago

We still have Elias Theodorou fighting Derek Brunson in couple of weeks.

hughie-d
1
4 days ago

Man we've already had artem vs hick diaz, kg vs stylebender and max vs the diamond, 2019 is already on fire

TheBeardedMarxist
1
4 days ago

It was FOTY until the next fight got to the 3rd round.

LeBastardHead
1
4 days ago

No, that title has already been claimed by Conner & Khabib’s Twitter exchanges.

little_shop_of_hoors
1
4 days ago

I think it gets FOTY and added to the ufc 25 greatest ufc fights of all time. The only 5 round fight in recent history I can think of that went the distance and was that action packed was Whittaker/Romero II and before that idk..

portuviejo
1
4 days ago

The main event was better

rare_gooby
1
4 days ago

Still think Till vs Masvidal is FOTY so far, it was so much fun

flyinbryancolangelo
534
4 days ago

That fight was indeed some legendary shit. I thought Izzy was done based off the look in his eyes after the fourth, I was worried for him. Seeing how he came out in the 5th was incredible, and how kelvin was absolutely exhausted but just kept coming. Two fucking warriors.

Whois-PhilissSS
220
4 days ago

When the 5th began, the camera panned and zoomed in on Izzy's face, he was mouthing something. I thought he was hyping himself up like yo it's time, this is it, finish this mf now or never. And you see his eyes.

Then he comes out and does what he does. Fucking legend.

LeftLegCemetary
155
4 days ago

He was saying something in Nigerian, basically translating "to the death".

Lambotherambo
77
4 days ago

Actually he said "gotta make sure to sleep early tonight for game of thrones"

NyanGarfield
43
4 days ago

How do you know this?

johnsom3
137
4 days ago

After the fight he said he was speaking in his native tongue "heart of a lion" or something like that.

TalesFromAChad
27
4 days ago

"Embrace the darkness"

Edit: it turns out this is not the answer, pidgin phrase to have a heart of a lion (roughly), is the answer. See my reply below for more explanation.

dongbroker
132
4 days ago

how the fuck 3 people give completely different translations

TalesFromAChad
46
4 days ago

Because I'm an idiot and misremembered the article I read.

If there was a true, gut-check moment for Adesanya during the fight, it came between the hellacious fourth and fifth rounds when he repeated a Nigerian Pidgin term to himself that best translates to a self-motivational mantra reminding him to employ the heart of a lion.  Adesanya said he stood up and looked across the Octagon at Gastelum and essentially came to terms by "embracing the darkness" with what type of performance would be needed to win the fight.

Sauce: https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/by-embracing-the-darkness-israel-adesanya-lived-up-to-his-full-potential-at-ufc-236-in-brutal-fashion/

blackgallagher87
0
4 days ago

"Embracing the darkness"? Bruh watches too much anime

Jiinpachii
7
4 days ago

He said “heart of a lion” but at the post match conference he also said that in his mind he was thinking “to the death” when looking at Kelvin and he also said (at the conference) that he had to embrace the darkness to win.

So kind of all correct just mixed up, the words he physically said just before the 5th were “heart of a lion” though

termitered
2
4 days ago

pidgin phrase

Not pidgin, Yoruba

GraceJamaicanKetchup
21
4 days ago

He was saying 'aya bi ekun', which is something like 'heart of a lion' in yoruba, one of the many native languages of nigeria.

I'm not close to being fluent in it, but its a saying i've heard before.

obvom
8
4 days ago

This is the answer, he talked about this in his post fight presser.

termitered
1
4 days ago

and Luke Thomas

Fruit_Loops_United
2
4 days ago

He might have been saying "I be aching", but said this to cover it up. /s

Rockso
17
4 days ago

What he actually said was: “be sure to drink your Ovaltine.”

xDehfs
3
4 days ago

Izzy said he was saying a phrase which means "heart of a lion" not "to the death"

LeftLegCemetary
1
4 days ago

Apparently they mean the same thing? From what I remember him saying in an interview.

Deathbynote
2
4 days ago

I thought he was saying "this is my belt" but turns out it was just some Nigerian bullshit.

termitered
6
4 days ago

AYA BI EKUN!!! That's what he was saying. It's a chant in his Nigerian language. Means heart of a Lion. He talked about it on Luke Thomas

pfurlan25
1
4 days ago

That was stylebender going into the avatar state

Squif-17
1
4 days ago

I’m stupid because I thought he was saying / implying “let’s not touch gloves until after the fight”.

i.e. let’s go balls to wall first.

totalacehole
68
4 days ago

Israel is such a student and fan of the game, you can tell he is somewhat elated to be a part of a historic fight like this.

_Cyclops
115
4 days ago

I don’t get how some people hate Izzy. He’s funny, he’s one of the most elite strikers the UFC has seen, and he fought 6 times in 14 months. What more do you want in a fighter?

PM_ME_NUDES_NEIGHBOR
113
4 days ago

A whiskey brand

Alpha-Q-Upp
37
4 days ago

coke

FriendOfTheDevil2980
48
4 days ago

Hit and runs

pataoAoC
40
4 days ago

Winning a title and being too good to bother ever defending it a single time

dikwad
22
4 days ago

Sexual assault

Alpha-Q-Upp
28
4 days ago

Broken phones

LAVA_ENEMA
19
4 days ago

Ref shoving

acephex
2
4 days ago

Dollies.

Carlosmedrano
0
4 days ago

Yeah cause this sub loves conor right?

Sjengo
19
4 days ago

He's arrogant. I like Izzy but I could see how that might be a reason for some people.

DrunkYetis
36
4 days ago

Is it arrogant when you’re an undefeated interim champ? Feel like that’s justified belief in oneself

J5893
4
4 days ago

Yea, if anything he's immodest. Everyone likes a modest person, and although I don't think there's anything wrong with being immodest, it isnt a good thing either. Its pretty much neutral, with maybe some negative implications.

damnsonthatscrazy
-7
4 days ago

Hes gotten only the most favorable matchups...

DrunkYetis
10
4 days ago

He’s been in the UFC just over a year and taken every fight that’s come his way without hesitation, can’t blame Izzy for that. I agree he hasn’t had an awful stylistic matchup yet but he’s dispatched everyone so far.

damnsonthatscrazy
-4
4 days ago

Yeah im not saying its izzys fault at all.

Im just saying he gets overrated a ton on here because hes in a favorable matchup every time he fights. If kelvin took him down twice, Bobby knuckles is going to wrestlefuck him, mark my words.

portuviejo
-13
4 days ago

He’s nowhere near GSP’s legacy and that dude wasn’t arrogant. Israel is just another kid who’s full of himself. Loved watching him get knocked out in kickboxing though

kidsimba
6
4 days ago

who gives a fuck, not everyone is gong to be like GSP. get over it.

rythmik1
24
4 days ago

I think it's hard to get to the most elite levels without some level of arrogance. I think he balances it well with philosophy and curiosity of his craft.

Moweezy
12
4 days ago

Dont see him as arrogant

ComprehensiveNews0
3
4 days ago

Arrogant means you are projecting that you can do something that you cannot do. So far he's absolutely confident. Even if he never wins a championship he's an extremely talented fighter.

Sjengo
1
4 days ago

That is not in fact what being arrogant means..

KelvinsBeltFantasy
2
4 days ago

Its the "i am player one" aspect to his thinking.

Except all humans think this so its not really egregious.

lactatingskol
1
4 days ago

This is it. I also dont think hes funny at all but corny as hell. Good fighter and I understand why people like him but to me his personality is pure cheese.

GJXN1990
3
4 days ago

But it's real. Surely that's better than an obviously fake persona

I_try_and_fail
8
4 days ago

I don't know why, but I really like seeing undefeated people lose and see the can come back. I really want to see khabib properly tested and beaten.

I do however really like Izzy and hope he can keep it going for a while!

DrunkYetis
12
4 days ago

I struggle to see how Khabib can be beaten, nobody aside from maybe Askren or at a push Usman could challenge him in the wrestling department, and Conor showed that elite strikers will struggle since they spend so much of the fight worried about the takedown. Khabibs striking is always improving too, who can do it? I’m excited to find out, see him really tested.

I_try_and_fail
9
4 days ago

Right now I think Tony probably has the best chance in LW. I also think that if Brian Ortega were to move up, he would be a real threat.

Styles make fights and a sick ground game on your back, so you can stand and trade without being terrified of being put on your back will be a path to victory. That, a chin and some unorthodox striking.

DrunkYetis
8
4 days ago

Tony always pulls something magical out the bag, as you said deadly on his back too, he could definitely challenge Khabib. Hope he comes back strong, he’s one of, if not my favourite fighter to watch. He should be first in line if/when Dustin fights Khabib.

Brian has so much potential, I think the Holloway loss will really help him develop into a fantastic fighter. Undefeated fighters are a fascinating puzzle to try and solve.

ShoxV
0
4 days ago

I think Gaethje has more of a chance than anyone to beat khabib

chiefrocka18
3
4 days ago

Totally agree. All fighters should have that confidence. But he’s not a dick. He learns from each fight. People seem to love the fighters that act nutty when someone else is getting too much attention.

isamu_87
2
4 days ago

Picograms

lactatingskol
0
4 days ago

Imagine if what you consider as funny others saw as cringy and/or corny as fuck. Then add his arrogance. I like him as a fighter but I cant get down with his personality.

The_Donaven
-2
4 days ago

As someone who doesn't like Izzy I can say I'm annoyed by him because he's a bit up his own arse, his hype train is obnoxious, his meme game is weak, and he's pulled a bit of a Darren Till in his rise up the middleweight rankings by managing to duck all of the middleweight elite (Romero, Rockhold, Weidman, Jacare) all because Dana thinks he's marketable.

Also Kelvin is my boy, I was really excited to see him vs Whittaker and I'm salty that fight will never happen.

Jonnyc9918
3
4 days ago

The being up his own ass thing is mostly for the publicity. It's just to get the media talking about him and wanting to see him in big fights against other big names. Same thing with the other big name fighters it get under the skin when he says he's better than them. So they get into banter with him. Then everyone wants to see that fight. You can tell he's a nice guy normally. Then with the ducking the middle weight elite that's not all his choice. That's a big part on the ufc wanting to help build his name. Guess what though sooner or later they gotta have that big challenge. Just like Till facing Woodley. Izzy faced that big challenge in Gastelum and he actually overcame it unlike Till.

The_Donaven
0
4 days ago

I get it's mostly for publicity, but shit like the joke about nutting on Gastelum is simultaneously uncreative, annoying, disrespectful and cringey. I felt similarly about his social media game in the lead up to his fight with Brunson, and I find his whole weirdo anime affectation just kind've annoying (although I understand how others could feel differently).

Also while I understand getting slingshot into a title fight because he's marketable isn't his fault, I'm still gonna be annoyed with how it affects the division (my boy Jacare is gonna be 40 before he gets to touch a title shot) and it makes the smug shittalk all the more annoying because it doesn't feel as deserved when I'm still confident that any of the likely title contenders (Luke, Romero, Jacare, Weidman) still have a very good shot of taking Izzy out.

I'm not saying people can't love Izzy, I'm just saying I don't and I think a lot of the love around him is the product of him being on a decent streak, and as soon as it's over we'll get a lot of "he was never good" and "I always knew Whittaker would smoke him".

termitered
1
4 days ago

The way he references random past UFC fights when describing stuff is so nerdy i love it!

douevenwheelanddeal
5
4 days ago

Yeah what I thought too! He was moving pretty sluggish in the 5th too so I was worried he'd get his head knocked off. But then boom, those knockdowns happened and apparently I should never doubt the guy. He has tricky speed, like his whole body doesn't really move much, but when he does, the snaps are really impressive. Kind of reminds me of Conor in that regard.

ThisUsernameisGenius
1
4 days ago

He said his style comes from Nigerian dancing ( can’t remember what the styles called), when you watch him dance you can definitely see the same sort of jerky movement as when he fights

crototype
330
4 days ago

This honorable shit is dope! Love the mutual respect.

donotreplyiambusy
116
4 days ago

Holloway after the Poirier fight as well. All class.

NeverFarted
104
4 days ago

Robert Whittaker can learn so much from these classy dudes

Sjdillon10
15
4 days ago

Is he typically a dick after fights? I thought after Romero 2 he even made a complimentary joke to Yoel something like "yeah, I'm not sure if you can tell. But this guy hits pretty hard."

WineDineShootMyNine
80
4 days ago

Sarcasm.

Sjdillon10
23
4 days ago

Okay cool. I haven't watched UFC long enough to know for certain. Only have seen Rob fight 2 times so far. Good to know he's not an asshole

1cenine
30
4 days ago

For a little more context in case no one else has mentioned, Rob is considered one of the most likable, respectful (if not to the extent of being milquetoast in personality) elite fighters in the sport. As a result it's recently become a meme to react to things he says as if they are off-the-wall disrespectful and shocking, when he's consistently on the side of succinct and ultra respectful.

SweatersAndShawarma
6
4 days ago

He's so damn nice that I want him to talk shit even for 1 second, just for the sake of notoriety and recognition.

holysweetbabyjesus
9
4 days ago

They're mostly all alright. Some are jerks leading up to the fight and that's ok to get people excited. Some are jerks after the fight and they're the worst

ATLWIll55
18
4 days ago

nah bro he’s always a sweetheart its just so sweet that people are making it a meme by saying he’s a brutal shit talker. he’s only just now jawing back and forth with Adesanya which is really out of character

Sjdillon10
8
4 days ago

That's funny. Also i think the back and forth is because he's annoyed he physically couldn't fight and they gave his belt away.

KeyserSoze37
5
4 days ago

He's so nice and respectful, that just this past week I believe, this sub started the 'whitaker is disrespectful' as joke. Everyone here loves Rob

PirbyKuckett
5
4 days ago

Totally refreshing to see these 4 top fighters be this professional and respectful. I’m tired of the mega mouth fighters, ie Conor, Colby, who think the selfishness and disrespect will help promote the sport. It only promotes themselves. The sport is great w/o all that. More fights like these is what will keep the UFC moving forward.

Pera_Espinosa
3
4 days ago

Good job being a durable punching bag bro

mildly_sexy
1
4 days ago

Nah. I prefer calling the guys wife a towel.

LooseLikeALemon
159
4 days ago

I still see people talking shit saying "yeah but he didnt fight romero twice!" Fuck the haters. Hype train keeps moving, next stop, the belt.

OGthorin
157
4 days ago

Izzy has taken every fight offered to him. People really acting like it's his fault for climbing to the top so fast.

LooseLikeALemon
77
4 days ago

I followed him since his joe rogan podcast appearance. Ive watched all his kickboxing videos on youtube, his interviews, all that shit. This man is one of the REALEST fighters in the ufc and i believe every single word he says. 6 Fights since last February, who else is doing that. When he says he doesnt give a fuck about the belt, and he just wants to fight everyone in the division, i believe him. Robert vs Israel will be amazing. Respect to gastelum, i fully expect adesanya v gastelum 2 in the next year/ year and a half.

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17
4 days ago

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benigntugboat
8
4 days ago

Stylistically jacare might be the toughest matchup around for izzy

CallMeGrapho
10
4 days ago

No forgay Jesus pipo

amexudo
0
4 days ago

In the event of Israel taking the belt from Rob then I think Kevin vs Whittaker would be a possible fight

BigLurker
1
4 days ago

hundred percent

termitered
1
4 days ago

He said he's been training for every fighter's style on the roster since he started in the UFC and I believe it!

failbears
30
4 days ago

I'm a big fan of Izzy's, and I have to say, I'm both excited and nervous that he's climbed so fast. Like, each of his fights he got a win, but he looked like he was being rushed too fast into eventually fighting an elite MW that he wouldn't be ready for. And yet, fighting every few months, his skill grew every single time. Any lesser fighter would've definitely not come out undefeated by now.

At the same time, MW is ridiculously stacked. I don't think he stays undefeated for long, even if he gets the belt, but I hope he kills it as much as he can.

OGthorin
19
4 days ago

Damn, I feel the exact same.

I don't even know why I like Izzy so much, but I am so emotially invested in his fights. I might be insane because I have watched his Silva fight more than 6 times now (not even joking).

I got super scared for Izzy after R1 yesterday, but damn he delivered.

failbears
10
4 days ago

Yeah lol, I was drained after watching the Izzy/KG fight.

R1 had me really concerned. In general, he didn't really utilize his range as much as I thought he would. KG was able to get in on him really often, and Izzy let him. Plus there were moments where they just stood and traded. He learns a lot and gets better every time, so hopefully he doesn't get destroyed by in-fighting with beasts like Romero and Jacare.

exaltedbladder
3
4 days ago

He said his footwork went a bit out the window after getting rocked in round 1

KingAnDrawD
6
4 days ago

If he can manage to win the belt and beat Romero, he'll easily be the best in that division. I'm worried about that Romero fight though, I feel like Romero would have the power to make Izzy cautious while also being able to close the distance with strikes to setup a takedown. People sometimes forget about good his wrestling is.

DripLord420
4
4 days ago

Uhh, let’s not get ahead of ourselves, I think the Silva fight was a little more of tactical matchmaking move than people around here are willing to admit, the post fight reaction where everyone was acting like he slayed a dragon when in reality he beat the shell of a GOAT (who hasn’t convincingly won a fight for the better part of a decade) in a fairly lackluster fight that was way more competitive than most were expecting proved its effectiveness. The Kelvin fight was an amazing fight, but Weidman looked way better against Kelvin despite getting dropped in the first. There’s a lot to be hopeful for when it comes to easy, but everyone acting like he’s the second coming of Jesus should chill for their own sake.

BigFatMoggyEejit
4
4 days ago

Israel was also fully ready to fight Paulo Costa from what I remember and people generally thought it could be a tough fight for Yoel when he was booked against him, although he was a definite favourite.

ab-cc
2
4 days ago

on short notice. He was on holidays too

rosegeller
18
4 days ago

People who say that are ridiculous. Yoel hasn't been active all year.

ChocomelTM
11
4 days ago

He didn't fight Romero twice though

droze22
1
4 days ago

Because UFC is dead set on protecting Israel from Yoel. He was ready to fight in January but Costa wasn't, so they made him wait. First thing after Israel's last victory, he came out in the press conference saying he wouldn't fight Yoel because he didn't make championship weight by 0.2. The fear is real.

zoom94
9
4 days ago

It’s the same people complaining about Conor not fighting Frankie on his way to the title

financeben
2
4 days ago

I can like Adesanya and still say he’s got the easiest route to a belt possible in MW. They’re not mutually exclusive. First dangerous guy he fights in the top 5 and he gets dropped in rd 1 and wobbled by a head kick.

He’s damn good, but he’s getting a shot without fighting Costa, Cannonier, Romero, Jacare, Rockhold(lw now). Gastelum is in this crowd, but there is no more favorable matchup for Adesanya of the good MW. Weidman is done and isn’t dangerous anymore imo bc no chin. But Adesanya has been red carpeted to the title fight because he has obvious potential to be a big star.

He’s still a damn good fighter, but he’ll have to get hit less to survive in MW.

LiquidAurum
1
4 days ago

Love Whittaker but his fans are annoying

NeverBenCurious
-4
4 days ago

Rob didn't fight Kelvin

Sjdillon10
-2
4 days ago

He... but... but he actually could have died had he fought. Are you seriously acting like he bailed intentionally?

DivestX
1
4 days ago

He... but... but he

You're writing text, why are you writing out a stutter? Jesus people.

Leo_nardo
114
4 days ago

Wow is this really a Humble Adesanya? refreshing!

panytranda
120
4 days ago

Just my opinion, but a lot of Adesanya’s “arrogant” statements are one off (possibly tongue in cheek) comments that the MMA media present without context.

KeyserSoze37
27
4 days ago

Yeah, I think he is very confident, but he really doesn't talk down on others from everything I've read. He's completely and utterly absorbed with himself. I like it. Dana and everyone compared him to Conor, but Izzy has never said the whole entire division was trash like Conor did before even beating Poirier

Aech_42
1
4 days ago

Definitely don't agree, just watch a press conference or two.

Gnaygnay1
-2
4 days ago

No hes been like this well before ever going to the UFC

ElVatoMascarado
-12
4 days ago

No, with context it’s usually worse. This was a nice quote from Izzy but if you add the context it’s almost entirely humble brag.

panytranda
14
4 days ago

Fighter reflects on an incredible fight (and possibly a career defining performance) while giving his opponent credit.

This is just a humble brag.

ElVatoMascarado
-5
4 days ago

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the whole post fight press conference. I’m not shitting on Adesanya, he just revels in his accomplishments even when giving his opponents props. Not sure why you’re being defensive about a part of Izzy’s personality that isn’t exactly a secret to anyone. His ego is a huge part of his success.

Adayum
-15
4 days ago

No I watched all his interviews in full and he was genuinely being a jackass. In the post fight press conference he even sort of ate some humble pie in terms of underestimating Kelvin and the difficulty of the fight. I think you could even see that in the fight the way he seemed to be immediately surprised with Kelvin's speed and it provided him an opportunity to show that he can adapt. It seemed like he had genuinely had his perception changed in the cage, rather than him just saying stuff to sell the fight, and it honestly got me back on the Izzy train

JMA_ZF
19
4 days ago

Did you miss the part where he said he was ready for a war because Kelvin is a mexican warrior? Definitely doesn’t sound like he underestimated Kelvin.

Adayum
-6
4 days ago

Did you miss the part where he said it changed the perception he had of what would be the toughest fight of his career? Was initially saying Silva will always be the toughest fight and comparing Kelvin to a regional level Russian MMA fighter he had competed against. Afterwards he changed his mind and gave Kelvin his due not just as a Mexican warrior, but as the most challenging fighter he has faced in his MMA career and relegated the Silva fight to his toughest mental performance. He always respected Kelvin's attributes, but if you didn't see a clear difference in his respect for Kelvin's abilities as a fighter from his interviews before the fight, we weren't watching the same things

JMA_ZF
9
4 days ago

He said Anderson was the toughest fight because of the mental block he had from fighting someone he looked up to as the goat when he was young. He wasn’t talking about pure ability.

Adayum
-6
4 days ago

He said that after, not before. Before the fight Silva was his toughest fight in all aspects. I've already said it's awesome he changed his tune, so stop quoting shit from the Post-Fight presser, he was absolutely not talking like that in the interviews leading up to the fight

JMA_ZF
6
4 days ago

so stop quoting shit from the Post-fight presser

Didn’t even watch the post-fight presser. But here’s a link to a PRE-fight interview with the Schmo where he talks about exactly what i said.

Go to 50 seconds if the time stamp doesn’t work.

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-1
4 days ago

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JMA_ZF
7
4 days ago

Lol you’re quite the mature person.

Anyways I don’t need to watch the post-fight presses bc I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to the lead up to the fight and how he said that Silva was his hardest opponent because of the mental barrier. He didn’t underestimate Kelvin at all. He just knew from a mental stand point that Kelvin would be an easier fight for him to go into. Then I provided proof and you got all riled up.

ChocomelTM
9
4 days ago

Nah

sloppyjoespit
69
4 days ago

lol this is a Humble Brag Adesanya at best

RileySix
4
4 days ago

It wasn't even all that amirite

2ND_Dinner
12
4 days ago

I'll take genuine cockiness over fake humility any day. Be yourself. There is enough fake people in the entertainment industry, politics, sports as it is. Israel is the best character to enter MMA in a while and part of that is because he's never frontin.' I hope it stays that way.

michaelscerealshop
-5
4 days ago

Love to watch him fight but god damn his personality is annoying

O_Kropo
97
4 days ago

I can’t wait till these 2 square off again

BrandonfromNewJersey
115
4 days ago

I'd prefer to see Gastelum give up the burgers for 6 months and take a good run at welterweight. He gave izzy a bloody good scrap but I still think both of them would fall to rockhold, weidman or Romero.

LeftLegCemetary
45
4 days ago

Yeah, Romero is just too fucking ridiculous to deal with for anyone.

I think Izzy and Weidman would be interesting, but Weidman probably would need to string together two wins to get that fight.

TenerenceLove
24
4 days ago

At 41 (soon to be 42), I just don't think Romero will continue to be a factor in the MW division for very long. I'm not even sure he'll want to keep cutting to 185 for more than another fight or two.

DrunkYetis
9
4 days ago

Yeah exactly, he’s been struggling to make weight for the past few events and it’s only getting harder as he pushes further past 40, a LHW Romero would be terrifying. Only person I can’t see him walk through in that division are Jones, maybe Santos (someone’s getting slept either way).

obvom
6
4 days ago

This sounds like I'm joking but really, we don't know Yoel's age. He could be 45 by now.

KeepIt100ForReal
26
4 days ago

Rockhold isn't coming back according to him.

Dagonir
1
4 days ago

Are you surprised? He looks absolutely rumble'd

Skovich
25
4 days ago

People keep saying this after the fight but those of us who remember KGs WW run remember the weight cuts were really bad on him. Dudes body type can't do it efficiently. 185 is his best bet.

BrandonfromNewJersey
28
4 days ago

I remember his run well. I followed him all through the tuf season when he was coached by Chael and beat Uriah in the finale. The weight cuts were tough on him because he never had a nutritionist and basically just ate what he wanted and then tried to cut water to make 170. Dolce worked with him for one camp to 170 and said he could get him healthily to lightweight with the right camp. Homeboy just wants to eat what he wants and not cut any fat out. Hes not exactly getting on the scales with a six pack is he?

T4Gx
22
4 days ago

Dolce-Diet Gastelum is sexy as hell.

MrSterlock
23
4 days ago

Dude that's gay. But yes.

TenerenceLove
-3
4 days ago

What's wrong with gay

DrunkYetis
3
4 days ago

Wow what a hunk, swear the weight cut made his head smaller too...

FunkyTownMonkeyClown
2
4 days ago

Whoops. Where did my pants go?

titsoutfortheboys2
0
4 days ago

Lol what? He's fat as fuck, eats like shit, and doesn't do a ton of cardio, body types don't matter that much and he's not that big for a welterweight.

_Cyclops
6
4 days ago

Weidman doesn’t deserve anyone in the top 5 right now imo. He should have to fight a couple people ranked 7-15 first before he gets another crack at the top 5. His chin could use a break before they throw him back in there with Izzy, Yoel, Jacare, or Whitaker.

BlindBanshee
4
4 days ago

I agree, he's proven that he can definitely compete at Middleweight, but he should be beating up the WW division.

wiggywonka
1
4 days ago

Israel would wreck rockhold and Weismann

northerncalininja
1
4 days ago

Kelvin smokes em all. You’re set trippin

sudorobot
-2
4 days ago

I thought gastelum knocked Weidman out?

BrandonfromNewJersey
18
4 days ago

Nah Weidman finished Kelvin

DleL
-5
4 days ago

Weidman would be winning the fight until he got knocked out. Both those guys hit too hard for Weidman to handle IMO. Plus Adesanya has shown incredible takedown defense, and Gastelum has a good wrestling pedigree.

BrandonfromNewJersey
32
4 days ago

Hate to break it to you but Weidman already finished Kelvin.

panytranda
13
4 days ago

It’s like people hold opinions based on whims rather than facts.

BrandonfromNewJersey
10
4 days ago

Its just the influx of fanboys after Izzys big win. People jump on without knowing the history defending their dude. Its all positive in the end I guess.

LeftLegCemetary
2
4 days ago

Good for Izzy? Deserves some fan boyzzzz

DleL
1
4 days ago

Yeah, that was in 2017 though, think the fight would go differently esp after Weidman had just been knocked out again

Kotkaniemi15
9
4 days ago

Weidman already beat Kelvin tho lol

ElVatoMascarado
3
4 days ago

I’d bet on Weidman to beat Izzy after watching Izzy fight Kelvin.

JimmyJohnsonjj
-7
4 days ago

Weidman is trash. Izzy would wreck him.

BrandonfromNewJersey
7
4 days ago

Considering he finished the guy Izzy just struggled with for 5 rounds and made it look like an easy paycheque i wouldnt go that far. Id personally take Izzy over 5 rounds but Weidman is a very big, very strong middleweight with extremely legit wrestling and bjj credentials. Theres a reason Izzy hasnt fought any of the big bad grapplers like Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold or Romero.

mladez
5
4 days ago

Theres a reason Izzy hasnt fought any of the big bad grapplers like Jacare, Weidman, Rockhold or Romero.

And the reason is he entered the UFC less than 1,5 years ago. Give him time. Brunson also outwrestled Romero if you want legit wrestling.

BrandonfromNewJersey
3
4 days ago

Yeah youre right. Gastelum is a tough opponent and im playing contrarian a little. Him against Whittaker is gonna be great though

mladez
2
4 days ago

Yeah and i would LOVE to see Gastelum v Romero and Izzy vs everyone in the top 5. Israel really surprised me with his take down defense and grappling against KG and against Brunson (only the clinch against the cage but still)

Gastelum vs Romero or even Costa would be really fun fights.

ElVatoMascarado
2
4 days ago

As much as I usually agree with that sentiment Weidman is a terrible match up Izzy especially after watching Gastelum give Izzy such a handful.

zerothehero
84
4 days ago

You know what was amazing about these two fights?

The ref didn't really have to do shit in either fight. It made it flow so much better. All four fighters were in THE ZONE the whole time. No break in the action.

The only thing I remember is Poirier getting warned for spitting on Max, LOL

These fights were so great... just good, clean, competitive action. Nothing dirty. No stupid trash talk.

Phoxymormon
4
4 days ago

I completely agree although I think I remember the ref saying " fingers down.... both of you" both fighters had to take note so it wasnt a factor only one had to think about.

lopesmd45
1
4 days ago

Nothing but respect for them!

FrankieVallie
55
4 days ago

Its insane how badly the sentiment has shifted against Izzy. Dude has that cheeky self confidence/arrogance, but its really not that bad at all.

TungstenTaipan
32
4 days ago

Nah he seems to keep it pretty light-hearted. Not bad at all.

just_a_timetraveller
10
4 days ago

Conor talks shit and says how he is better than everyone

Oh Conor is smart by selling the fight

Izzy talks about he feels he put on an epic fight with a durable fighter

Israel is so arrogant and undeserving!!!

stevenisbest
4
4 days ago

He’s ok, I think what really bothered people here was what he said about Whittaker

seoulbran
3
4 days ago

Agree with you

G-Honda
40
4 days ago

God damn I wish Mousasi never left. Middleweight is young and dangerous.

YohnStamos
16
4 days ago

Yeah, I'd love to watch Moose fight either of these guys. I'd like to see how Moose would fair against Izzy with how successful Kelvin was with his jab.

Rodeisto
1
4 days ago

Isn’t Kelvin more powerful? At least when it comes to one shot punching power?

Black_Goku
1
4 days ago

yee, Mousasi's jab is one of the best there is though

hrungnerblodoks
1
4 days ago

Really wish Kelvin used the jab more, instead of trying to throw that left hand and getting countered hard in the later rounds.

Deathbynote
1
4 days ago

Mousasi must be watching all this and thinking "what the fuck did i do?" Middleweight is about to get lit because of Izzy. World will be watching while Mousasi is competing in some boring ass Bellator event no one really wants to watch. Hopefully he can keep up the good work and rejoin the party.

Fredditorsons
41
4 days ago

Fights like these make me hate the pay structure of this sport of ours so much more than I already do, these dudes beat the shit out of each other for 25 minutes and are getting peanuts for it

PM_ME_UR_QUEEFS
49
4 days ago

$400k and $200k respectively including bonuses, I would love for it to be higher too but that's not exactly peanuts.

BrandonfromNewJersey
53
4 days ago

Co main event of a PPV for an interim title. 50 percent gone to tax instantly, 3 month camp to pay for, manager, agent, coaches, sparring partners, travel, equipment, food, medical costs etc. God knows what that fight did to the quality of their later years they're both young guys. I'd say 400 and 200 is peanuts for all that.

BrandonfromNewJersey
12
4 days ago

Reminder that im responding to the guy who said 400 and 200 is not peanuts and i have zero idea what either of them is actually paid disclosed or not.

boredincubicle
9
4 days ago

Eh, had to throw it in somewhere so people would see it. After every event people start complaining about fighter pay and none of us even know what these guys are actually making.

BrandonfromNewJersey
7
4 days ago

Just to play devils advocate that is the disclosed pay thats what they got paid. Anything discretionary is...well...discretionary. Hyped stars that make no points on ppv or have a big following might get extra dough(that probably includes Adesanya but most fighters have stated that since the takeover those have stopped as they tighten the purse strings.

Jakkrak
3
4 days ago

Do you happen to know why some pay is undisclosed? I always wondered...

boredincubicle
3
4 days ago

Nah, I have no clue why it works the way it does, or like the other dude pointed out, I have no idea how many fighters this applies to. For all I know 95% of the roster only makes their disclosed pay and the biggest names have special deals. All I know is multiple big names have come out and told fans that they get paid more than their disclosed pay, and all of the articles that come out from news sources make sure to point out that fighter pay figures they quote don't include sponsorships, UFC discretionary pay/bonuses, PPV points, etc.

gzilla57
3
4 days ago

Because it makes it more difficult for fighters to negotiate future contracts.

Same reason Netflix doesn't tell it's content producers (comics etc) much about how much their content has been watched.

Abe_Linkoln
1
4 days ago

I'm going to assume that they file taxes on the undisclosed pay as well. The IRS is like the Yoel Romero of the federal financial world. Don't want to fuck with them at all.

GlobalistShills
1
4 days ago

Ppv points aren’t disclosed for one thing.

Max48484
1
4 days ago

50 percent gone to tax instantly

Lol no, it would be about 25%. You pay tax on taxable income not your total income, and it's progressive not a flat rate. So you only pay tax on the amount of income that you earn in each bracket, and only after all expenses have been deducted (UFC fighters are self-employed so they can be very flexible with this).

travel, equipment, food, medical costs etc

Mostly paid for by UFC (also tax deductible).

God knows what that fight did to the quality of their later years

You could say this about any salary since life is priceless. How many millions would you need to be paid right now to knock off 10 years of your life with your loved ones?

Adesanya also gets more than the disclosed amount, like most popular fighters. He's only been in the UFC one year and will have made half a million for that fight. He's driving around in a new Range Rover and has said only positive things about his pay.

S_Steiner_Accounting
-12
4 days ago

This is a business, not a charity. Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the MMA promoting game, but until then the UFC are the people to see.

GingaSnapzzz
44
4 days ago

Amazing fight and only made better for me by the fact Izzy came out to Nipsey Hussle. I gained a lot of respect for him Saturday night.

jemstar620
17
4 days ago

Figured he was gonna come out to him because I've heard him playing Nipsey in the background of his training/sparring vids before, hearing Victory Lap start blaring after the packaged hype video was a great touch.

j_rod_13
39
4 days ago

I’m not gonna lie I really felt Kelvin could expose some weak points in Adesanya’s game, but oh my godddd. This fight not only made me love Kelvin’s heart, but it showed that Adesanya is a part of the elite in 185! I can’t wait to see him and Bobby Knuckles dance within that octagon!!

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47
4 days ago

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ZendrixUno
25
4 days ago

I know Kelvin is skillful but I was blown away by his defense in the earlier rounds. I don't think Izzy hit him with one clean headkick, including the few question mark kicks he threw, and Kelvin was making him whiff punches quite a bit. I think Kelvin could have thrown more straight shots and less looping bombs, but holy shit he's a fast dude and a super legit striker to stand in front of Izzy and trade like that, and come out on top in a lot of those exchanges.

benigntugboat
11
4 days ago

His kick defense was insane

AllShuckledUp
4
4 days ago

His kick was insane

muricabrb
2
4 days ago

When he landed that high kick on Israel, the crowd just went nuts!

DabScience
34
4 days ago

This is the UFC I want to see. The drama and peacocking just isn't fun for me to watch. And honestly the sport will never grow with that bullshit. It just feels fake.

DivestX
14
4 days ago

Because it's played out by now. Back then, it was pretty refreshing because during the Silva/GSP era everyone was pretty humble and there wasn't a lot of controversy/rivalry.

Eventually being humble will become boring again and everyone will want a brash superstar. It's all cycles.

whitecrayon02
1
4 days ago

Eh I disagree cause when that stuff is done correctly it's extremely entertaining. Like without Conor's rise and his antics I never would have gotten into the sport and I know there are a lot of others like me. However I see where you're coming from cause fake drama and trash talk is really cheesy. Stuff like DC-Jon Cody-TJ Conor-Nate are/were good for the sport and it's growth tho.

WhoDaFookIsThatGuy13
23
4 days ago

Am I the only one that thought it should’ve been a stoppage?

andrewn187
10
4 days ago

It definitely should have been stopped imo. Kelvin took unnecessary damage when he clearly didn't have a chance to come back at that point.

WhoDaFookIsThatGuy13
6
4 days ago

I’m just surprise this isn’t being talked about more

Moist-Phlegm
6
4 days ago

It’s been just a few weeks after Herb Dean stopped the fight and everyone hated him about it. So referees might have second thoughts about it. It was 15 seconds left out of a 25 minutes fight, so I get why he wanted to let them finish the fight. Really tough call, but it played out well for all of us.

andrewn187
1
4 days ago

I've noticed this sub tends to make a big stink over early stoppages but people don't tend to post about late stoppages (or lack there of) unless it's an unconscious fighter taking extra shots

northerncalininja
1
4 days ago

No fighter wants a stoppage on their resume. Gtfo Kelvin went out on his proper shield

WhoDaFookIsThatGuy13
1
4 days ago

Just because they don’t want it that doesn’t mean the fight shouldn’t be stopped.

BronsonTzu
9
4 days ago

Rogan wanted it stopped

ShuShuWingFu
5
4 days ago

Gastelum took some shots in the last ten seconds of the fifth that I would have saved him from. Yeah, I also would have stopped lawler from killing Ben askren after that slam, but then I said stop the fight when he got the bulldog choke.

WhoDaFookIsThatGuy13
2
4 days ago

Lol. I’m just surprised this is not mention much about the fight.

KanyeEast11
5
4 days ago

I absolutely agree that it should've been stopped when he was out on his feet taking shots while not defending himself. It's the refs discretion, but I would've expected more from Goddard. Kelvin's tough as nails, but somebody has to make the call because no top-tier fighter is going to take himself out of a fight willingly.

PC_Komputer
2
4 days ago

I completely agree. Three knockdowns and then some heavy shots on the ground. It's Goddard's job to protect the fighters and he failed.

trentthesomalian
21
4 days ago

Part of me hates when fights I’m so heavily invested in are absolute bangers because I’m too nervous in the moment to actually enjoy it :(

LightItUpForAutry
2
4 days ago

me: 🤤😲🤤😲

PrinceDX
1
4 days ago

I was there and had to tell myself to calm down multiple times. I would watch all the stand up directly and if they transitioned to the ground I would watch the monitor so I could have a better view of the transitions. But man the end of the 4th was stressful and the first 2 rounds of Max/Dustin I was feeling a bit sick. I side with Dana when he said he was exhausted after the fights concluded. It was like I had an adrenaline dump just from being there.

ElVatoMascarado
19
4 days ago

Gotta be honest, I did not at all expect Gastelum to give Adesanya as much trouble. I expected Gastelum to have more than a few moments but I was surprised to see Adesanya in such precarious spots.

2ByteTheDecker
15
4 days ago

KG displayed some exceptional timing and fight IQ going into a striking fight with that much of a reach disadvantage.

lordkabab
12
4 days ago

For real KG got in the pocket really well.

archaelleon
10
4 days ago

And that head kick, who saw that coming?

weaver4life
1
4 days ago

I didn't expect adesanya to knock out gastelum, I thought it would just be a point battle. But gastelum really charged foward recklessly going for the win so he opened himself up to get knocked out.

gzilla57
1
4 days ago

He looked stupid fast in the first round, and Izzy mentioned that when he clipped him in the first that it threw off his plan/footwork for the rest of the fight.

daydreamurr
10
4 days ago

Izzy Vs Bobby is gonna be nuts!

LionOver
6
4 days ago

I don't know what to make of Adesanya; Kelvin is obviously super talented. I just feel like such a "next level" striker should have better control of distance than that. Kelvin really didn't have that much trouble landing and that's a problem. This Jones talk is ridiculous. Even if the size gap weren't massive, Jones is certainly a better striker, and would murder him with his grappling.

Moweezy
1
4 days ago

Yeap which is why he most likely loses to whittaker. Regardless though he does have a lot of potential. He is still preety young so he has a lot of time to improve.

MisterSynister
6
4 days ago

Dude is classy af.

maton12
3
4 days ago

You'd be happy with either Kelvin Vs Israel or Dustin Vs Max - to get both one one card was fucking awesome

Montuvito_G
3
4 days ago

I’m sorry but that thumbnail kills me. Same when Izzy made that bizarre 💦comment, his profile pic made it so much funnier

Poet_of_Legends
2
4 days ago

Respect.

JoshJetlagger
2
4 days ago

seriously one of the best fights i've ever seen

wonder1217
2
4 days ago

Great class from the champ 👊🇳🇿

Ubuntu369
2
4 days ago

That was honestly one of the best rounds of UFC I've ever seen.

natertots83
2
4 days ago

Same. The entire fight was an all time top 5 fight.

IAMTHECAVALRY89
1
4 days ago

Seriously man, good job Izzy – FOTY

Zul_rage_mon
1
4 days ago

It's really nice to see fighters getting along before and after the fights after Coner and Khabib on Twitter.

InnerKookaburra
1
4 days ago

I like to give it some time to properly reflect, but watching it live it was one of the most entertaining and back and forth fights I can recall.

Huge props to Adesanya and Gastelum! It's one of those fights that made me respect both fighters even more.

LeftLegCemetary
1
4 days ago

Love this guy.

orezavi
1
4 days ago

KG wants a rematch for sure.

ionlyeatpopeyes
1
4 days ago

I was working during the earlier part of the fight. I'm so sad I only saw izzy cheering.

KeepYourDemonsIn
1
4 days ago

Israel is such a class winner, and Max is such a class loser.

Good men.

LakeFever88
1
4 days ago

Aya bi Ekun

CMacLaren
1
4 days ago

Wonder if UFC would be eager to do a rematch between the two if Kelvin gets another win or two. Or maybe they have bigger plans for Adesanya.

jankymegapop
1
4 days ago

I don't disagree with anything you wrote:

Re. Whittaker: I'm always amazed when he wins... He's such an unassuming guy and he just beats guys (Romero? Twice? Wtf?). Top notch, and I love seeing a classy human win.

Re. Jacare: I think Israel prevents the takedowns and lights him up.

Re. Romero: Wildcard for sure Sometimes Joel looks like a world beater, sometimes it looks like the world beats him. I think Israel is cautious enough not to get kneed in the face and his standup is better than Romero's.

Re Jones: 20lbs+ of mass on Adesanya and I'd love to see that fight. Both guys are similar in style and build. I think Jones takes it comfortably, but would love to see the fight if Israel can take out Whittaker, Romero, and Jacare at 185 first.

andrewn187
3
4 days ago

I agree on all fronts. Except, I don't want to see him fight Jones. At least anytime soon. Jones has said it best himself "When a highly skilled fighter takes on a highly skilled bigger, stronger fighter the bigger guy will win"

gzilla57
1
4 days ago

Yeah if want him to take a looong time off to bulk up before that fight.

andrewn187
1
4 days ago

Agreed. Izzy already said something to the effect of him taking care of the middleweights before he even considers going that road which is a good sign.

scottiepeepin
1
4 days ago

i can get behind this as opposed to the cringey shit talk.

P_Mikus
1
4 days ago

Was I the only one who heard the ref tell Gastellum and Israel to slow it down in the 4th round?

allenme
1
4 days ago

I watched that last round. What the hell is Gastelum even made of? Adesanya kept landing great hits and Gastelum kept just ignoring them

ferdterguson
1
4 days ago

nachos

existingCS_
1
4 days ago

I haven't rewatched the fight but holy shit that was a classic live.

Cooley47
1
4 days ago

This is the fight Adensanya needed IMO. I thought he was a bit overrated coming in and I was proven wrong. Good for him

drfish93
1
4 days ago

This fight with The Reaper is going to be something of legends.

jacksclasshatred
1
4 days ago

Just the tone and mood of this fight was some final Wheels on Meals fight with Benny the Jet shit.

Big_Stereotype
1
4 days ago

God damn this was such a feel good card all round. I love both Dustin and Max and I feel like the main event had the best possible outcome and Izzy and Kelvin absolutely left it out there. AND IZZY ALMOST FUCKIN TRIANGLED GASTELUM WHAT? Everyone's being so wholesome afterwards, too, this is kinda what I needed.

cestrun
1
4 days ago

I'm so proud, so proud. Speechless.

reeeposted
1
4 days ago

He won my respect with that fight and now this quote

xandel434
1
4 days ago

I missed Saturday’s card. How can I watch a replay? FightPass? Espn+? Pray to God for a vision replay?

Bundon5300
1
4 days ago

This fight was fucking crazy. Izzy fr did some anime shit in that final round.

Gaping_Ass_Wound
1
4 days ago

Dudes forehead been huge from day 1.

northerncalininja
1
4 days ago

Puro Mehicanos

descendants91
1
4 days ago

I love both Robert and Adesanya. Idk what to do.

khaosgott
1
4 days ago

Thiago Santos - Manuwa is up there for me.

RoosterBones
1
4 days ago

Respect

Icon_dota
1
4 days ago

It's going to be tough for anyone to top that 5th round, I had never really watched KG before this fight but man that dude is a warrior made a fan out of me after that fight.

thislibdickinurear
1
4 days ago

randy marsh cumming.jpg

sangbang
1
4 days ago

Confident, but not cocky. Israel nailed this.

BankMcgavin
1
4 days ago

If gas doesn’t go for that takedown after he stunned iz with leg kicks the fight is over gas is champ and iz got lucky

FFprophet1
1
4 days ago

decisionbot gastelum vs adesanya

DecisionBot
1
4 days ago

ISRAEL ADESANYA defeats KELVIN GASTELUM (unanimous decision)

UFC 236: Holloway vs. Poirier 2 — April 13, 2019

ROUND Adesanya Gastelum Adesanya Gastelum Adesanya Gastelum
1 9 10 9 10 9 10
2 10 9 10 9 10 9
3 10 9 10 9 10 9
4 9 10 9 10 9 10
5 10 8 10 8 10 8
TOTAL 48 46 48 46 48 46

Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Ken Coffey, Anthony Maness. Summoned by FFprophet1.

MEDIA MEMBER SCORES

  • 1/24 people scored it 49-45 Adesanya.
  • 1/24 people scored it 48-45 Adesanya.
  • 16/24 people scored it 48-46 Adesanya.
  • 6/24 people scored it 48-47 Adesanya.

Avg. media score: 48.0-46.2 Adesanya (high certainty[1]).

KaskadeForever
1
4 days ago

Did somebody check his shorts?

thedudefromsweden
0
4 days ago

I loved this fight. Tremendous heart and striking from both guys. Still, to be fight of the year, I want great striking AND great grappling. There was very little grappling going on here...

Fernando_Nuevo
0
4 days ago

The man is going to be a legend. Class act. Difficult not to like this kid.

dirtysacc
0
4 days ago

To be fair Kelvin would've finished Izzy if he had even a slightly longer reach

portuviejo
0
4 days ago

I thought the main event was better

sauce2k6
0
4 days ago

Still don't know why he went for a take down towards the end of the fourth when Israel was stunned. I say that in hindsight of course lol

n92265
-1
4 days ago

Wow finally some respect and not some "I'm player one you're a bot" corny shit. During the post fight he literally said rob is not a real aussie lmfao

mr1709
-2
4 days ago

Maybe its because i was watching with foreign commentary but i didnt think the fight was that special. Three pretty boring rounds. A good 4th and an amazing 5th round. I dont get the hype based on the first three rounds

Lightgreen17
-3
4 days ago

These are the comments that should follow a fight. Professional. Respective. .. Not like that Irish rapist.

bayzie
-4
4 days ago

We get it. The fight was good

Black_Goku
1
4 days ago

hard, how dare people talk about things they like

Bobson567
-15
4 days ago

Round 5 was not legendary. It was a good round, but it was just Adesanya picking apart Gastelum who barely did anything back. Not a legendary round

TallBed9
-21
4 days ago

Costa knocks him out within 3 rounds

Tangerine_Speedos
26
4 days ago

Costa got jabbed up by Uriah hall what do you think Izzy would do to him

BinLadenBComin
11
4 days ago

This is hilarious

Why do people think Costa is that good?